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Apple already unlocked 70 other iPhones for feds

Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:43 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:43 am
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Apple CEO Tim Cook declared on Wednesday that his companywouldn’t comply with a government search warrant to unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardinokillers, a significant escalation in a long-running debate between technology companies and the government over access to people’s electronically-stored private information.

But in a similar case in New York last year, Apple acknowledged that it could extract such data if it wanted to. And according to prosecutors in that case, Apple has unlocked phones for authorities at least 70 times since 2008. (Apple doesn’t dispute this figure.)

In other words, Apple’s stance in the San Bernardino case may not be quite the principled defense that Cook claims it is. In fact, it may have as much to do with public relations as it does with warding off what Cook called “an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers.”




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This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 7:44 am
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2095 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:48 am to
Hasn't it been said, many times already, that the security measures are OS dependent? And that older iOS versions don't have the same encryptions/securities as the new ones?

Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:53 am to
Were these iPhones encrypted like current-gen iPhones?
Posted by tigerjunior
Member since Aug 2009
2325 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:53 am to
Hey we just gonna say we won't give you private data from our customers for good PR, but here take this plain envelop with plain paper in it.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37250 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:56 am to
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Hasn't it been said, many times already, that the security measures are OS dependent? And that older iOS versions don't have the same encryptions/securities as the new ones?


Yes it has but the op is an idiot.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:56 am to
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Hasn't it been said, many times already, that the security measures are OS dependent? And that older iOS versions don't have the same encryptions/securities as the new ones?

Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:57 am to
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Yes it has but the op is an idiot.

While that is true, I enjoy watching people with very little knowledge on a topic argue with people with a lot of knowledge on a topic. Makes for an entertaining one-sided beatdown.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 7:58 am
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18913 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:00 am to
Didn't y'all try to explain to the ignorant masses twenty times in the last thread that this isn't about unlocking the passcode but rather disabling the ten tries before reset feature? They basically want Apple to disable the phones security system.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:01 am to
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Didn't y'all try to explain to the ignorant masses twenty times in the last thread that this isn't about unlocking the passcode but rather disabling the ten tries before reset feature? They basically want Apple to disable the phones security system.

Yes.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature."

ETA: When it comes to home thermostats and light bulbs, CAD is the man. But he is clearly out of his element with this topic.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 8:08 am
Posted by whodatdude
Member since Feb 2011
1375 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:44 am to
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But he is clearly out of his element with this topic.


Nah, he's just an Apple troll. He is (presumably) intelligent enough to discern the difference between bypassing old security measures in certain circumstances to comply with legal orders and creating a new firmware that has a built-in backdoor that gives the government carte blanche for any and all phones.
Posted by Solicitor
Member since Nov 2013
249 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:51 am to
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
8311 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:53 am to
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Hasn't it been said, many times already, that the security measures are OS dependent? And that older iOS versions don't have the same encryptions/securities as the new ones?
EXACTLY. This is a new encryption style with iOS 9

ETA: I'll post the link again
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 8:55 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:56 am to
It's an older 5c which doesn't have hardware security enclave

But hey don't let that detail get in the way of a good rant
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 9:03 am
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14892 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:02 am to
Apple isnt saying they are unwilling to help. They are saying they arent writing a flaw into their OS for the sake of defeating security.

Im not apple fanboy but they are right here
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:04 am to
Curious what exactly Apple did the other 80 times they broke into iPhones for the feds.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 9:05 am
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
8311 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:05 am to
Yeah, which would prevent them from side loading the new operating system like is being requested. It doesn't have the enclave, which is the entire reason they would be able to load this modified version onto the phone. The whole point is that they do not want to create this new version
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:07 am to
The 5c has the enclave?
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
8311 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:08 am to
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It doesn't have the enclave
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16590 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:10 am to
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70 times since 2008


Which means what since 2008 is only a year after first gen iPhones were released? Apple has helped them get into a bunch of iPhone 3's and you think that's no different given the newer phone's much more powerful security? Do you realize you just skewered your own argument by displaying your ignorance? Give it up kid, you aren't smart enough.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:11 am to
So how would this differ from the other times they assisted the FBI?

Still trying to understand since it's just software.
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