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re: Alcoholism: Why it sucks.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:07 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:07 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:10 pm to LooseCannon22282
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i'm an uneducated redneck who knows nothing on the subject.
never said you were uneducated...just an ignorant thing to say.
i'm not sure if you had a bad experience or something along those lines to make you feel this way but it is indisputable that AA works and is the exact opposite of bull shite.
I'm going to assume that you are a physician or psychologist?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:13 pm to LooseCannon22282
Sure it wasn't t you that was full o shite? You were ordered by the court to go that frickin full o shite judge Don't know shite
Like the guy with multple dwi's
He ain't got a problem either
Like the guy with multple dwi's
He ain't got a problem either
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:16 pm to ole man
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Sure it wasn't t you that was full o shite? You were ordered by the court to go that frickin full o shite judge Don't know shite
always funny to me when people are forced to go to AA by the courts and they think it was a mistake or just a one time accident.
if you get arrested because of your drinking or drugging...there is definitely a problem there, maybe not full blown alcoholism but definitely a problem
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:19 pm to redfieldk717
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I'm going to assume that you are a physician or psychologist?
no, but I probably need to see one.
lol.
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i'm not sure if you had a bad experience or something along those lines
I did actually, but you're right that gives me no right to crap on the program. It just turned out that the support group I tried was VERY flawed.
so the whole thing strikes a nerve with me. There is a lot more to it than that but I'd rather not get into it. This board is supposed to be fun and not doom-and-gloom.
like I said though, its good to hear that it worked for you.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:20 pm to LooseCannon22282
Loose u really need to quit your horseshite posting u makeing an arse of yourself. Really
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:22 pm to LooseCannon22282
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I did actually, but you're right that gives me no right to crap on the program. It just turned out that the support group I tried was VERY flawed.
sorry to hear that... unfortunately, there are groups out there like that but i hope you found a different way because although I am an AA guy, i know that there are other ways to get sober because i have seen people do it.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:23 pm to ole man
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Loose u really need to quit your horseshite posting u makeing an arse of yourself. Really
okay ole man.
its just a message board full of people who don't know each other mostly.
and horse around.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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LP: It's one that is powerful and intervening enough to help
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AA: a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
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LP: but only after you fully submit to it.
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AA: Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
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AA:Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
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AA: His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Seems like a pretty well defined deity to me, in what he can and won't do for his followers.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:27 pm to LucasP
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Seems like a pretty well defined deity to me, in what he can and won't do for his followers.
It's been a few years since I've been, but the concept of God was always, in every meeting, "according to your understanding."
The problem is some people have preconceived ideas of "god" they can't get beyond.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:29 pm to redfieldk717
I'll tell you one thing about AA, it may not work for everyone, but just about any where you go you can find a meeting. I see them advertised here in LC, I think 4 or 5 different lunch meetings and about that many nightly meetings. It's very available to people. With so many meetings I'm sure the group atmosphere can vary, but that doesn't mean someone can't find a group they like. Hats off to you Red and ole man, y'all sound very content in your sobriety.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:29 pm to ole man
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If AA is not working for someone it's there fault not AA
This is infuriating. I'm glad AA works for you, and I'd never try and talk someone out of it if it worked for them. But it's a spiritual cure for a real problem, if it doesn't work for someone it could be they just don't believe what you believe.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:30 pm to SabiDojo
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Roger, your future isn't a higher power. Look at the 12 steps and see how it makes no sense.
millions of atheists/agnostics have successfully been through the 12 steps, and are still active in the program.
LINK
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While it may at first glance appear that the twelve steps offer insurmountable obstacles to the atheist there are ways to follow the program without accepting a theist idea of God. This is because AA encourages the member to believe in a higher power as they understand it. This means that the individual is free to interpret this as they wish. Some will view nature as their higher power while others will see it as the power of the group.
Not sure it can be put any more clearly.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:31 pm to FT
Had a HS buddy's mom die from it. It got to the point she would die if she quit. She did @ 54.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:31 pm to ole man
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Like the guy with multple dwi's He ain't got a problem either
like you really know what happened?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:32 pm to LSUEnvy
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I'll tell you one thing about AA, it may not work for everyone, but just about any where you go you can find a meeting. I see them advertised here in LC, I think 4 or 5 different lunch meetings and about that many nightly meetings. It's very available to people. With so many meetings I'm sure the group atmosphere can vary, but that doesn't mean someone can't find a group they like. Hats off to you Red and ole man, y'all sound very content in your sobriety.
I don't have issues with anyone who claims it doesn't work for the. Clearly, it doesn't work for everyone. I do have issues with people who claim it doesn't work for anyone. Millions of people will disagree.
Most people incorporate some of what they glean from 12 step with parts of other programs before successfully recovering.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:35 pm to redfieldk717
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sorry to hear that... unfortunately, there are groups out there like that but i hope you found a different way because although I am an AA guy
Heck, I still go to some meetings on Sunday mornings.
but only on Sundays.
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i know that there are other ways to get sober because i have seen people do it
honestly, I just don't have the same habits as I use to. Everyone has a different opinion on what an alcoholic is and I haven't felt like I've had a problem in years.
and more importantly, I've stayed out of trouble and no one no longer tells me that they think I have a problem.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And this preconceived God is the one that was forced down some of our throats growing up. An angry, punishing, God who I wanted nothing to do with.
The problem is some people have preconceived ideas of "god" they can't get beyond.
That's why when I got sober and was told to have my own understanding of God, it was a game changer for me. I had all but ditched the idea of God before that.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:56 pm to RealityTiger
So what parts of AA can be applied to people needing treatment that leaves god/spirituality/faith out?
If you are atheist or agnostic and a drunk, you're gonna have a problem with AA. As more and more people are atheist or at least now admit to it there have to be other programs out there.
If you are atheist or agnostic and a drunk, you're gonna have a problem with AA. As more and more people are atheist or at least now admit to it there have to be other programs out there.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 3:58 pm to LucasP
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But it's a spiritual cure for a real problem
Actually, it's a real cure for a real problem. God, however that is defined, doesn't get anyone sober. It's more of a talisman to keep you grounded. Sobriety, getting and keeping it, is very much work.
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