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re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:33 am to Spaulding Smails
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:33 am to Spaulding Smails
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Exactly, why is it our duty to help everyone? If some bozo wants to do heroin, and refuses to quit, let him live his life. People tend to make other people's problems, their problems.
If you don't want to die from heroin, don't do it
If you don't want your kid to do it, educate and regulate them.
If some worthless frick you don't know wants to get a fix under I-10, who gives a shite!
I used to not agree with this idea, but then I realized (through dealing with an addict friend) that you can't stop a person from using. The only way that person is going to stop is by their own choice. I tried helping out for a long time, eventually I came to the conclusion that I have my own life to live and it is pointless to keep putting time and energy into a futile effort.
Harsh but true.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:37 am
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:34 am to JakeTheDog
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We started by sneaking some of her vodka. Then we found someone who would buy our own.
I thought you said that most of these people started with pot?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:35 am to HeadyBrosevelt
Matt Dillon's role in Drugstore Cowboy put it best:
great movie
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Well, to begin with, nobody, and I mean nobody, can talk a junkie out of using. You can talk to 'em for years but sooner or later they're gonna get ahold of something. Maybe it's not dope. Maybe it's booze, maybe it's glue, maybe it's gasoline. Maybe it's a gunshot to the head. But something. Something to relieve the pressures of their everyday life, like having to tie their shoes.
great movie
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:36 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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I thought you said that most of these people started with pot?
I meant it as in the first "illegal" drug. And for the third time, I support legalization of pot.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:39 am to JakeTheDog
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good friend of mine from Jr High is a great example. We use to go to his house after practice every day. His mom worked evenings so we had the place to ourselves. We started by sneaking some of her vodka. Then we found someone who would buy our own. We were just 14 and having a good time. Next we found a source to score some pot. So now we started getting stoned. That was the extent of it for me and most of the rest of out group. But not this one guy. He always wanted more and better. He moved from pot to coke, from coke to pills, from pills to heroin. While we were graduating HS, he was kicked out of his mom's house and crashing wherever he could for a day or two and doing whatever he needed to get his next fix. Not once did he ever take a pill for any other reason to get fricked up. And he's just one typical example
No one is arguing against your personal experiences. Yes, we all know that a lot of addicts start because they are looking for a high. When you get more life experience, you will likely run across many other addicts who did not start this way.
I have a buddy whose wife of 18 years (2 high school kids) got hooked on pain killers prescribed after knee surgery. 4 months later, she'd left the family and was living with her junky dealer/boyfriend. She is now snorting heroin, which is the predecessor for shooting it. We all have examples to show our point, but that does not mean those cases are universal.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:42 am to HeadyBrosevelt
It's not the most popular opinion, but I feel that way because like you said, I have my own life to live, and I want to live it to the fullest. If someone doesn't want help or betrays those who have helped, that's fine, it's your call.
Junkies have two options, 1. Clean up, and stay sober, 2. Continue to use.
A girl I knows brother has relapsed several times, and every single time, he lied, cheated, and stole from his supportive family to get his fix. He faked it in rehab so he could get back out and use again. He is one of the lowest forms of life. Nothing anyone will do will cause him to stop. So why spend the heartache of going through the relapse scenario every 6 months
Junkies have two options, 1. Clean up, and stay sober, 2. Continue to use.
A girl I knows brother has relapsed several times, and every single time, he lied, cheated, and stole from his supportive family to get his fix. He faked it in rehab so he could get back out and use again. He is one of the lowest forms of life. Nothing anyone will do will cause him to stop. So why spend the heartache of going through the relapse scenario every 6 months
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:44 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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The only way that person is going to stop is by their own choice. I tried helping out for a long time, eventually I came to the conclusion that I have my own life to live and it is pointless to keep putting time and energy into a futile effort.
True, but remember that most addicts go through rehab many times before getting truly clean. It is discouraging, but the one time you reach them may be the one that works.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:13 am to MRTigerFan
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MRTigerFan
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I think it's ridiculous that there is a 500 person wait list for a facility with only 24 beds. I know someone who been trying to get their adult child into one of these facilities in BR and has been waiting for 2 weeks now and was told the wait could be up to 3 months and that's just ridiculous.
Are thy trying to get into the state run rehab facility or a private facility? My wife got into Palmetto Addiction Recovery Center within 2 weeks. Cost was approx $30k for 6 weeks but insurance covered most of it. Rehab is expensive, why should the state provide it free of charge? The state run facility will always have a long wait. And remember, you get what you pay for.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:20 am to TheIndulger
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about a guy who grew up to shithead parents and started using when he was 8 years old.
of course, we don't have anyone to verify this other than the word of an admitted junky. If true it really sucks, but we see at the end of the article what sort of chest he has.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:34 am to MRTigerFan
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No it's not. That's exactly what has happened. Do you think the article is FOS and that the cracking down on prescription pain killers and the rise in Heroin use are just a coincidence?
He's saying that people were using pain killers recreationally. They weren't (in large part) legitimately using pain meds to address a legit medical issue.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:38 am to moneyg
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He's saying that people were using pain killers recreationally. They weren't (in large part) legitimately using pain meds to address a legit medical issue.
You summed up my point perfectly.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:47 am to JakeTheDog
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I meant it as in the first "illegal" drug
What drug is legal? Alcohol certainly isnt at the age of 14.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:52 am to ThatsAFactJack
quote:Not to divert, but this is the future of all healthcare with Obamacare.
The state run facility will always have a long wait.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:55 am to SlackMaster
I don't believe this is related to a local focus on illegal prescription drugs. Heroin has been on the rise nationally in a big way. BTW, the poppy seeds it is made from are grown primarily in Afghanistan. With us pulling out and the ongoing lawlessness, I think that's the real basis for its rise in the US.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:55 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I've had a lot of clients with opiate addictions. They are in and out if jail constantly. Few are able to kick the addiction. Jail isnt the answer. And heroin dealers already face 5-50 yrs. harsh sentences simply don't work. But in Louisiana, it's always the answer.
From what I can tell, legalization and regulation of drugs (along with prostitution) is the way to go.
From what I can tell, legalization and regulation of drugs (along with prostitution) is the way to go.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:13 am to Spaulding Smails
That's why I replied to the guy bringing up the fraternity. I agree with the rest of your statement
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:16 am to TheIndulger
quote:Anyone who has been to rehab will tell you this is 100% correct. They start taking pain meds for an injury, and progress to stronger and stronger meds. Once they run out of doctors writing scripts, they turn to illegal drugs. I've been to rehab and in my short month, I met maybe 30 people who did it
Making prescription drugs harder to get is only going to make people who are already pill poppers turn to heroin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:24 am to Spaulding Smails
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A girl I knows brother has relapsed several times, and every single time, he lied, cheated, and stole from his supportive family to get his fix. He faked it in rehab so he could get back out and use again. He is one of the lowest forms of life. Nothing anyone will do will cause him to stop. So why spend the heartache of going through the relapse scenario every 6 months
Sounds like a guy I went to high school with. And he's only 20 years old
He recently started a blog about it as part of his recovery and I hope that helps him stay on the right path
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:28 am to SlackMaster
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SlackMaster
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Not to divert, but this is the future of all healthcare with Obamacare
You sir are correct. I am a Contract Analyst for a large Healthcare System and we have been planning for this for years.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:35 am to Spaulding Smails
You will probably give a shite if that worthless frick under I-10 is your sister or brother.
If they refused treatment, or continued to relapse. No I wouldn't care. It's their life. But betraying my trust and my family's trust after we spent time and effort to help them, and they continue to want to get a fix, is reprehensible in my eyes
You make one thing clear: You have no experience with this . Your ideals will change if a family members is involved. I do hope it never happens for your sake.
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