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re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:43 am to TheIndulger
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:43 am to TheIndulger
Had several friends die from OD'ing.
All affluent white suburban kids that got addicted to oxy in college and found heroin to be WAY cheaper, stronger, and easier to get.
Its an epidemic.
The way to combat this is not just more arrests. They should have policies that people caught with heroin for personal use are allowed to go to inpatient treatment for 90 days instead of being arrested. If they can't afford it, lock em up for 90 days, but don't put anything on their record that would hurt future job searches. The only way to clean yourself from this awful drug is to remove yourself for a few months entirely.
We need to find the suppliers and block the trade also. Arresting college kids for possession does nothing to slow down this tragic wave of addiction.
All affluent white suburban kids that got addicted to oxy in college and found heroin to be WAY cheaper, stronger, and easier to get.
Its an epidemic.
The way to combat this is not just more arrests. They should have policies that people caught with heroin for personal use are allowed to go to inpatient treatment for 90 days instead of being arrested. If they can't afford it, lock em up for 90 days, but don't put anything on their record that would hurt future job searches. The only way to clean yourself from this awful drug is to remove yourself for a few months entirely.
We need to find the suppliers and block the trade also. Arresting college kids for possession does nothing to slow down this tragic wave of addiction.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:45 am to JakeTheDog
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Look, I'm all for legalized pot. But to try and claim that the rise in heroin use is due to people needing pain meds is just stupid.
If we are being totally honest with ourselves the rise in heroin is a result in more people wanting to get fricked up. We've become a party culture.. simple as that.
Heroin is not a "party" drug. People that take to it love the fact that it kills all pain (physical and emotional). I have firsthand accounts of people that have gotten to heroin from pill prescriptions.
Back to the article:
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Dr. Beau Clark, the East Baton Rouge Parish coroner who is pushing for harsher sentences for convicted heroin dealers, said battling the heroin epidemic requires a two-pronged effort. “No. 1, you handle the dealers,” Clark said. “You want to put people in jail and make it not feasible to sell heroin in Louisiana.”
There's the same stupid arse logic you always see. Prisons don't do shite to deter drugs.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:47 am to ULSU
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There's the same stupid arse logic you always see. Prisons don't do shite to deter drugs.
Because heavy drug users do not think rationally. Costs vs benefits way of thinking does not exist to them.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:52 am to ULSU
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Dr. Beau Clark, the East Baton Rouge Parish coroner who is pushing for harsher sentences for convicted heroin dealers, said battling the heroin epidemic requires a two-pronged effort. “No. 1, you handle the dealers,” Clark said. “You want to put people in jail and make it not feasible to sell heroin in Louisiana.”
This guy is horrible. He needs to go.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:53 am to ULSU
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Heroin is not a "party" drug. People that take to it love the fact that it kills all pain (physical and emotional). I have firsthand accounts of people that have gotten to heroin from pill prescriptions.
LOL... you're trying to tell me about heroin use. That's funny. I've lived through this with friends and family and still have to deal with it even today. Did some of them have "issues"? Yes, but who does not at least have some issue they could use as an excuse to use heroin if they wanted to? Of all the heroin junkies I know, they all share one thing in common. They chose to try heroin. None of them jumped from some legit pain prescription to it. And notice I said "legit". Some were popping pills already but none were from a real doctor that prescribed them pills for pain. Instead they were popping pills to get fricked up. We can make all the excuses we want but until we can be honest about the problem it can never get better. And the honest reason the majority of people get hooked on not just heroin but most drugs is because they just want to get fricked up.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:53 am to Samso
Another solution to this epidemic could be taking a page out of Amsterdam "needle park"
People are going to do heroin regardless. "Needle Park" decided to regulate heroin. You can go to clinics twice a day, where they inject you with legit heroin, clean needle, etc. It has prevented OD's and disease transfers are lower. I am not saying its right but at least you can keep people from dying from lethal heroin.
People are going to do heroin regardless. "Needle Park" decided to regulate heroin. You can go to clinics twice a day, where they inject you with legit heroin, clean needle, etc. It has prevented OD's and disease transfers are lower. I am not saying its right but at least you can keep people from dying from lethal heroin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:56 am to JakeTheDog
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LOL... you're trying to tell me about heroin use. That's funny. I've lived through this with friends and family and still have to deal with it even today. Did some of them have "issues"? Yes, but who does not at least have some issue they could use as an excuse to use heroin if they wanted to? Of all the heroin junkies I know, they all share one thing in common. They chose to try heroin. None of them jumped from some legit pain prescription to it. And notice I said "legit". Some were popping pills already but none were from a real doctor that prescribed them pills for pain. Instead they were popping pills to get fricked up. We can make all the excuses we want but until we can be honest about the problem it can never get better. And the honest reason the majority of people get hooked on not just heroin but most drugs is because they just want to get fricked up.
I'm not making any excuses, and I am sure that you have friends that were using pills not from prescription. I am not, at all, saying all heroin use is tied to this, but there are definitely a good number of cases where heroin addicts started with an opiate prescription. That's all.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:58 am to ULSU
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I'm not making any excuses, and I am sure that you have friends that were using pills not from prescription. I am not, at all, saying all heroin use is tied to this, but there are definitely a good number of cases where heroin addicts started with an opiate prescription. That's all.
I would say those cases are in the minority
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:58 am to ULSU
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Uhh, that is what heroin essentially is. Many start off on prescription pain killers (opiate based) and move on to heroin when they can't get or afford the pills any more. Sure, by the time they get to heroin they aren't looking to calm their back pains, but it starts that way, often.
True, but I doubt the 23 year old frat guy who OD'd started out using it as a painkiller. It's a recreational drug for a lot of people.
This shite runs in waves. Those of us old enough to remember earlier waves have a hard time comprehending how anybody could be stupid enough to try heroin even once. I guess the hard lesson has to be relearned over and over.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:59 am to Jim Rockford
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True, but I doubt the 23 year old frat guy who OD'd started out using it as a painkiller. It's a recreational drug for a lot of people.
He was hooked on pain pills and got in a spot where he couldn't find them so he turned to Heroin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:00 am to LSUvegasbombed
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Another solution to this epidemic could be taking a page out of Amsterdam "needle park"
People are going to do heroin regardless. "Needle Park" decided to regulate heroin. You can go to clinics twice a day, where they inject you with legit heroin, clean needle, etc. It has prevented OD's and disease transfers are lower. I am not saying its right but at least you can keep people from dying from lethal heroin.
No offense but have you been around many heroin addicts? The idea of not trying to get them off of it and instead just letting them live out their days in heroin induced stupor is beyond cruel. That's no way to live. In fact hat's not living at all. That's just existing from one fix to the next.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:01 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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He was hooked on pain pills and got in a spot where he couldn't find them so he turned to Heroin.
But was he using them for pain, or recreationally?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:02 am to JakeTheDog
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But to try and claim that the rise in heroin use is due to people needing pain meds is just stupid.
No it's not. That's exactly what has happened. Do you think the article is FOS and that the cracking down on prescription pain killers and the rise in Heroin use are just a coincidence?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:02 am to Samso
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I would say those cases are in the minority
Yes, they are. Yet those cases may not have happened if a doctor could recommend weed instead of prescribing some highly addictive opiate. That is my only point. Not that weed legalization will stop heroin addiction or anything. Just that is could benefit society in some small way.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:03 am to TheIndulger
As long as you are mindful of what you, your friends, children, etc. are doing, who gives a shite about a bunch of heroin junkies. Let nature run its course. Stupid people die doing stupid things
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:03 am to JakeTheDog
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The idea of not trying to get them off of it and instead just letting them live out their days in heroin induced stupor is beyond cruel. That's no way to live
This I agree with
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:05 am to JakeTheDog
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No offense but have you been around many heroin addicts? The idea of not trying to get them off of it and instead just letting them live out their days in heroin induced stupor is beyond cruel. That's no way to live. In fact hat's not living at all. That's just existing from one fix to the next.
So letting them die and transfer diseases and/or putting them in prison is somehow more humane?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:05 am to JakeTheDog
I'm so freaking glad this stuff wasn't around when I was in my early 20's. No doubt I would have tried it, and I loved everything I tried so I'm sure it would have ended disasterously for me. Thankfully, I've never even seen heroin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:05 am to JakeTheDog
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No offense but have you been around many heroin addicts?
No, but if you are hooked and do not want to get clean, you will continually use. Why not regulate it to prevent people from OD'ing or getting some lethal batch. People who use have no idea what is in their batch of heroin. You are trusting a person from the ghetto.
I mean we have methadone clincis in every city. Methadone is much worse than heroin addiction. I have heard opiate addicts say that the withdraw from methadone is much worse than any opiate out there.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:05 am to TheCaterpillar
I think the article was spot on when saying that there needs to be a two-pronged approach. 1) harsher sentencing for dealers and 2) more treatment options. I think it's ridiculous that there is a 500 person wait list for a facility with only 24 beds. I know someone who been trying to get their adult child into one of these facilities in BR and has been waiting for 2 weeks now and was told the wait could be up to 3 months and that's just ridiculous.
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