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re: Which Pick at 27 Could Start for Us?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:25 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:25 pm to bonethug0108
It isn't about starting to me, its about what player can contribute the most at a high level.
Would a Fuller/Roby/Verrett be a bigger contribution per snap compared to OBJ/Lee/Cooks/Matthews?
We have 1 true hole, Center. We have no clue who will fill it up, no one on our team has NFL experience in it. It can be filled in round 2-3 without it being a reach.
Other than that we have a slotted starter everywhere else if we were to start today. Where can we upgrade with pick 27? WR#3 and CB#2.
Would a Fuller/Roby/Verrett be a bigger contribution per snap compared to OBJ/Lee/Cooks/Matthews?
We have 1 true hole, Center. We have no clue who will fill it up, no one on our team has NFL experience in it. It can be filled in round 2-3 without it being a reach.
Other than that we have a slotted starter everywhere else if we were to start today. Where can we upgrade with pick 27? WR#3 and CB#2.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:46 pm to bonethug0108
Any first round pick should start, I think its expected that all first rounders be an instant contributor.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:49 pm to Meateye
You can be an instant contributor and not start. Especially at CB, WR, or LB.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:52 pm to 3HourTour
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You can be an instant contributor and not start. Especially at CB, WR, or LB.
This is true.
In that case I think a WR or CB would start.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:03 pm to 3HourTour
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You can be an instant contributor and not start. Especially at CB, WR, or LB.
That's what I think we are looking for in this draft. A guy like Hicks, Stills or Vaccarro who can play "starter minutes".
Center is likely the only spot a guy could come in and start immediately.
A WR is likely not starting. A CB will probably rotate with Bailey. An OLBer would rotate with Harrlison, Gallett and Butler.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:09 pm to bonethug0108
I could see a CB or LB taking a starting spot
Champ is old and Butler has to prove he can do it every week. If Mosley is there at 27 he coudl easily take over for Hawthorne
but I get your point and I agree that they are in great shape heading in to the draft
Champ is old and Butler has to prove he can do it every week. If Mosley is there at 27 he coudl easily take over for Hawthorne
but I get your point and I agree that they are in great shape heading in to the draft
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:23 pm to htran90
This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for. Some names at positions that may be more of a question mark.
So I get the sense in the first round WR, CB, or LB would be positions that could make the most immediate contributions.
But let's say one of the top guys at guard is there and has a much better grade (like bubble 1 and these other guys are bubble 3). Now this guy may not start or play much at all this year, but he would allow us to get much younger and cheaper next year.
Do we pass him up for one of the other positions?
Edit:
And I appreciate the input from everyone. It's good to get a pulse from other fans and see where viewpoints differ and where they connect.
So I get the sense in the first round WR, CB, or LB would be positions that could make the most immediate contributions.
But let's say one of the top guys at guard is there and has a much better grade (like bubble 1 and these other guys are bubble 3). Now this guy may not start or play much at all this year, but he would allow us to get much younger and cheaper next year.
Do we pass him up for one of the other positions?
Edit:
And I appreciate the input from everyone. It's good to get a pulse from other fans and see where viewpoints differ and where they connect.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:47 pm to bonethug0108
If you're giving me a guard that is rated really high and can start by next year and play allpro/probowl caliber like evans?
I want the guard over whatever reasonable bubble 3 WR/CB available.
Why? Ben Grubbs hits us with 9.6mil in cap next year. 6mil dead to cut him, 3.6mil to save. Not worth it yet, but by '16 his cap hit is now 10.3mil and it saves us 7.3mil to cut him in the '16 offseason.
Lose a pro-bowl guard for a competent guard on a rookie contract.
Just straight value at that point
I want the guard over whatever reasonable bubble 3 WR/CB available.
Why? Ben Grubbs hits us with 9.6mil in cap next year. 6mil dead to cut him, 3.6mil to save. Not worth it yet, but by '16 his cap hit is now 10.3mil and it saves us 7.3mil to cut him in the '16 offseason.
Lose a pro-bowl guard for a competent guard on a rookie contract.
Just straight value at that point
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:10 pm to bonethug0108
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I don't see many that would see a majority. A few might see about a quarter or a half depending on who we are talking about. I think a LB, WR, or CB has the best shot of getting some snaps. But I don't see any that would necessarily start over who we have outside of guys that would fall.
By position: C, LB, WR, CB and following your thought: G.
Center: We would probably get our choice of C at 27, albeit a huge stretch, but he could start. If he starts, Lelito can be the heir apparent to Grubbs spot.
LB: Mosley (or Shazier) could start or see play significant playing time. I think you could make the same point about LB that you made for OG cap wise.
WR: Cooks, Lee, OBJ, or Matthews would see significant playing time.
CB: Fuller would push Bailey into the old folks home.
G: I haven't really been tracking them. Not a sexy pick, but could yield dividends down the road.
I want Mosely or Fuller if available at 27, and if not then I want whichever WR is left between Matthews, Cooks, Lee and OBJ.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:41 pm to OldSouth
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WR2: Stills
This makes me nervous.
Agreed.
I think Stills is a nice player, but I'm not as high on him as everyone else here.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:21 pm to FootballNostradamus
Marqise Lee WR
Jeremy Attaochu OLB
Lache Seastrunk RB
Preston Brown ILB
Walt Aikens CB
Brandon Thomas G
Tyler Larsen C
Jeremy Attaochu OLB
Lache Seastrunk RB
Preston Brown ILB
Walt Aikens CB
Brandon Thomas G
Tyler Larsen C
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:32 pm to Chad504boy
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Brandon Thomas G
IF he returns to form you're getting an early 2nd round pick at the tail end of the draft.
Would be the steal of the year. Thomas is really REALLY good.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:59 pm to FootballNostradamus
OBJ gives you the best bang for your buck IMO.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:41 pm to Dats Who
It's possible everyone you named at LB, WR, and CB outside of Shazier and Matthews will be gone.
And when you bring those names up a lot of people here groan, but looking at who might realistically be there who do you take instead?
That was part of the reason I started this thread. What names that could realistically be at 27 would be "worth it"? Everyone shoots down names but then only puts up the same guys that might not be there.
Who are the guys outside of the ones we have discussed to death?
And when you bring those names up a lot of people here groan, but looking at who might realistically be there who do you take instead?
That was part of the reason I started this thread. What names that could realistically be at 27 would be "worth it"? Everyone shoots down names but then only puts up the same guys that might not be there.
Who are the guys outside of the ones we have discussed to death?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:44 pm to bonethug0108
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It's possible everyone you named at LB, WR, and CB outside of Shazier and Matthews will be gone.
Also possible that one could slip to 27, and if not, Matthews would work even though it would be a reach.
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Everyone shoots down names but then only puts up the same guys that might not be there
Not that I disagree, but the question asked was who at 27 could start / see significant playing time. The names I mentioned (if there at 27) could start / contribute.
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Who are the guys outside of the ones we have discussed to death?
I'll do ya one better because I like you and think you bring valuable information to the board, even when you get all long winded and stuff.
I'm thinking situational BPA, which causes a chain effect. I'm thinking we go C, CB, WR and LB with our first 4 picks. Even though C is the biggest need I think we wait until the 4th for that position. So I'll explain my logic for the remaining options and we can see which is better or more realistic..
(A). Rds 1-4 LB, WR, CB and C
LB Mosley / Shazier
WR Matthews / Moncrief
CB Desir / Jean-Baptiste
C Swanson / Stork
(B) Rds 1-4 CB, LB, WR and C
CB Fuller / Verrett
LB Van Noy / Attouchu
WR Landry / Ellington
C Swanson / Stork
(C) Rds 1-4 WR, CB, LB and C
WR OBJ / Cooks / Lee / Matthews
CB Gaines / Robinson
LB Boreland / Skov / Bullough
C Swanson / Stork
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:08 pm to Dats Who
quote:Right but I'm trying to get some names we haven't seen before. Everyone knows the usual suspects already. Who are guys that we look at in a "worse case" scenario?
Also possible that one could slip to 27
quote:Right, but then I asked another question. I got what I pretty much expected from the first one so I decided to see what else we could come up with.
Not that I disagree, but the question asked was who at 27 could start / see significant playing time. The names I mentioned (if there at 27) could start / contribute.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 3:32 am to bonethug0108
Jordan Matthews comes in and plays immediately. Very polished and is a every down WR in the league. Smart kid that knows how to run excellent routes and has some of the best hands in the draft. Also super clutch. Other WRs in the draft either need time to develop and improve at certain things, or they aren't every down players early on. Matthews is ready to go now.
It would be Colston, Matthews, and Stills as the deep threat with Graham.
It would be Colston, Matthews, and Stills as the deep threat with Graham.
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