re: So Brees is going to the pro bowl

i'll say this much... as far as knowledgable posters that ACTUALLY know some shite, especially the Saints, you are up there.... and stubborn as an old mule...

but in the end, you are probably good people IRL...

seriously though, i'm sorry for the tone, profanity, and stuff... i wasn't purposefully trying to be an arse to you, just trying to make my point, and obviously colorful language and tone don't come over well, especially when you can't confer that tone or context over a message board...

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I don't take this site seriously at all. It's just for fun.

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i don't... but you know what it's like, when you have point you are trying to make, and it just ain't sticking with the person you are talking to, it's especially hard over the internet...

either way, thanks for understanding and accepting my apology or whatever...

you too bro...

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not gonna lie, that was a great year for the saints, but your statement is true mainly because of the 62-7 game vs. Indy, which skewed that stat just a tad... yes, we scored a lot of points, but Drew, just like MANY QBs in this league, racked up a bunch of garbage time yardage and a few TDs...

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You don't rack up garbage time stats when you are ahead by 3 scores, and especially not like in that Indy game (well unless you are Brady but he's above reproach I guess).

At that point you are trying to shorten the game by running.

Now if you are behind by 3 or more scores in the last 8 or less minutes of the fourth quarter, or 3 minutes or less in a 2 score game, it's possible to call that garbage time stats because the other team will start playing soft giving up the unders and wasting clock.

So how many games have we been 3 or more scores down in the fourth? Not many.

The garbage time stat bullshite people say about Brees is fricking bullshite. frick off with that.

If there's plenty of time on the clock the game is never truly out of hand with Brees at QB, even in a 3 score game.

And other teams know that and play hard even when up by as much.

It doesn't matter what happens (trading fgs, trading tds, trading fgs for tds, trading no scores for fgs, etc.).

The point is the other team is not giving up and letting him get yards before the 4th qtr. is half over (unless they are more than 3 scores up, but I'm not going to draw out each scenario for minutes and scores).

And as pointed out we are talking maybe than 5% of his total yards in any season have been garbage time yards. I'd be shocked if you can show me a season where he got more than 350 total garbage time yards (or about one game's worth for him).

And as said all other QBs also get these garbage yards, so claiming one QB is less for doing it is beyond ridiculous. The whole argument gets thrown out on that alone.

On a side note about that garbage time study, it's fricking ridiculous they are claiming a 15 point half time lead makes the whole second half garbage time for the other team.

First that's only 2 scores. The other team isn't coming out in prevent with a 2 score lead at half time.

SOME teams might start playing softer at the start of the 4th with a two score lead depending on their opponent.

NO team is playing soft on Brees with a 2 score lead at the start of the 4th. They've seen what he can do.

Garbage time should be calculated by scores ahead mixed with league average time of possession and time left. Any team can score on any drive (or special teams play), so to "call" a game at half time with only a 2 score lead is complete insanity.