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Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:57 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
I still think since he was a undrafted free agent he can be had for less than a 1st.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:59 pm to t00f
Let NE sign him to a contract that we agree with.
We give NE back there 3rd.
And we take back our 4th.
DONE!!!!
We give NE back there 3rd.
And we take back our 4th.
DONE!!!!
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:02 pm to moock blackjack
Our 4th is forfeited (by them) and can't be traded back.
Also no fricking way they take that deal. It'll be a second or a third and another pick.
Also no fricking way they take that deal. It'll be a second or a third and another pick.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:02 pm to moock blackjack
I'm down with a 3rd but they lost our 4th via deflategate
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:04 pm to t00f
keep an eye on Stephone Anthony in a possible deal.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:04 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Wish we could just give them a call, say we're offering our 2018 first and be done with it
Why would we give them a 1st just for the right to sign a guy they will allow to walk anyway?
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:07 pm to touchdownjeebus
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keep an eye on Stephone Anthony in a possible deal.
Speculation or info from somewhere ?
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:09 pm to t00f
The comp pick they'll receive is a 3rd for butler but that will be in 2019 draft.
They shipped off Jamie Collins a bit early to get Cleveland's 3rd this year instead of delaying it a year.
They also shipped off Chandler Jones a bit early for a 2nd and Cooper instead of delaying it as well.
If Chandler Jones couldn't get a first and was acquired for 61 and cooper, I'm confident butler won't get a 1st. Something tells me our 3rd (76th) is gonna be the pick we send to new England for butler. Unsure if any more from 2018, but I don't think we're gonna give up the 2nd
They shipped off Jamie Collins a bit early to get Cleveland's 3rd this year instead of delaying it a year.
They also shipped off Chandler Jones a bit early for a 2nd and Cooper instead of delaying it as well.
If Chandler Jones couldn't get a first and was acquired for 61 and cooper, I'm confident butler won't get a 1st. Something tells me our 3rd (76th) is gonna be the pick we send to new England for butler. Unsure if any more from 2018, but I don't think we're gonna give up the 2nd
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:24 pm to htran90
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Something tells me our 3rd (76th) is gonna be the pick we send to new England for butler. Unsure if any more from 2018, but I don't think we're gonna give up the 2nd
Man, I hope you're right. I was thinking it will be #32 or maybe #42 if this is even going to go down. Sounds like Butler is going to have to make it happen if he wants to play in NO. Sign a tender with the intent of getting traded and signing a long term deal.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:37 am to Sho Nuff
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if he wants to play in NO. Sign a tender with the intent of getting traded and signing a long term deal
there in lies the problem, if he signs the tender (step 1) he has to "trust" they trade him to us, and right now in his mind they already are fricking him over so far.
then if he signs first, he would also have to be in agreement of the contract we will give him (step 2) but we arent allowed to negotiate with him until he signs with them (officially based on the rules anyway) so he is trapped in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation.
now if you are him, with multi millions of dollars and your career on the line in all of this, that's a hell of a lot of trusting that has basically been giving you the middle finger all along so far.
and if he signs the tender with NE they can just say frick you we need you so "you are going to have to play this year for that $3m one year deal you just agreed to, thank you and have a nice day" then he is screwed. think about that for a second and you will see the position butler finds himself in here.
the only way I see this thing working from his point of view is for NE to sign him to an agreed upon long term contract that the saints agree in advance they are willing to take over. that is the only way butler is protected from getting screwed over in all of this.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:42 am to keakar
What's worrisome is why sign Gilmore to that money, try to fit him into your scheme, instead of just paying your own guy? They're pretty equivalent, but is it the point you can get a pick for Butler and still have a top end corner?
If we were to sign Hightower and butler, give up the 3rd and Anthony, we might be onto something.
If we were to sign Hightower and butler, give up the 3rd and Anthony, we might be onto something.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 12:43 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:46 am to keakar
As a RFA he can negotiate offers from other teams. If a team gives him one he likes and gives him an offer sheet he then takes it back to the Pats to match or decline.
All the other team has to do is not give him an offer sheet. You talk numbers and if he likes what he hears and the Pats agreed to a trade with said team then he signs his tender, gets traded to the new team, then the new team extends him.
And the new team would be stupid to back out on the deal as they lost a draft pick(s) in the trade.
All the other team has to do is not give him an offer sheet. You talk numbers and if he likes what he hears and the Pats agreed to a trade with said team then he signs his tender, gets traded to the new team, then the new team extends him.
And the new team would be stupid to back out on the deal as they lost a draft pick(s) in the trade.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:56 am to GMoney2600
Only way we get him is if we trade the 11th pick. and no way in frick do u give up the 11th pick for an undersized 27 year old corner with only 2 years of experience. Theres a reason NE signed Gilmore before offering him anything. wake up
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:14 am to bonethug0108
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All the other team has to do is not give him an offer sheet. You talk numbers and if he likes what he hears and the Pats agreed to a trade with said team then he signs his tender, gets traded to the new team, then the new team extends him.
And the new team would be stupid to back out on the deal as they lost a draft pick(s) in the trade.
ok, thanks for clearing that up, I thought being restricted literally meant that he couldn't talk to other teams and no other team could negotiate with him
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:15 am to TPecoraro23
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Only way we get him is if we trade the 11th pick
That's just not true.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:17 am to bonethug0108
Do you not have to give a 1st round pick? He's first round tendered
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:26 am to breauxmosexual
well i'll let you guys sort out what the "trade" requirements are vs the "make an offer" and give compensation back but regardless, wouldn't the pick (whatever it would be) be awarded in next years draft not this years?
also isn't the compensation just based on the round the pick is for and not saying it has to be our original pick to give up as long as its from the appropriate round?
since we have 2 first round picks, im thinking the compensation can be satisfied with us just giving them the #32 back, because it is a first round pick meeting the requirement right?
also isn't the compensation just based on the round the pick is for and not saying it has to be our original pick to give up as long as its from the appropriate round?
since we have 2 first round picks, im thinking the compensation can be satisfied with us just giving them the #32 back, because it is a first round pick meeting the requirement right?
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 1:29 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:29 am to keakar
we aren't giving a 1st for him, I GUARANTEE it the more and more I look at how NE has dealt players the past few years.
if Chandler freakin Jones who as a top 5 DE couldn't net a 1st and Jamie Collins a top 5 OLB couldn't get a 2nd, a #1 CB like Butler won't garner a 1st.
if Chandler freakin Jones who as a top 5 DE couldn't net a 1st and Jamie Collins a top 5 OLB couldn't get a 2nd, a #1 CB like Butler won't garner a 1st.
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