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re: Per NFL network Champ Bailey could be cut
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:09 pm to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:09 pm to Patrick O Rly
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So you're saying that Ryan's defense is most effective when you don't know where the pressure is coming from
Yes
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people knew Junior was rushing the passer most of the time last year, and he still had 12 sacks
Individual sack count is irrelevant. If you had a more balanced LB playing in Junior's place last year I think we still would have the same or better total sack count for the year for the team.
I simply think having one of your LB playing as a DE every down he's in is a liability in run/scramble defense. If I had to choose between paying Cam Jordan or Junior, I would hands down pick Jordan. If I had to pick between paying Hicks or Junior, I would pay Hicks. His potential to pair with a NT and eat up four blockers creates endless opportunity on blitz packages from the second level of the defense.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:12 pm
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:10 pm to LSUZombie
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Is Dont Question Me a great troll or a terrible one?
Both. He says stupid stuff and still gets people going, while knowing nothing about his current topic.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:10 pm to 4thandinches
Cooks but that isn't a fair question. We would fill two other positions of need by taking Landry.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:10 pm to Dont Question Me
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I'm taking Jason verret to top off our secondary and take doubt out of the second corner spot and going after speed in the 3rd.
By your standards, we've got
Verrett, Landry, and DAT/Archer
Also, no Byrd since he's a waste of money (9mil/yr; 3.5 cap hit this year) we don't have a starting FS.
So you just made our team a big question mark of potential rather than a more-likely championship caliber team.
ETA: So now you've been saying Landry is so great, but you want to trade the 3rd to move up to take Lee, who has shown he is not doing that well in training camp. I.e. you want to go from Cooks/SJB to Verrett/Lee
Geez cmon man troll better.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:13 pm to bountyhunter
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Individual sack count is irrelevant
Disagree, and so does the rest of the NFL.
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If you had a more balanced LB playing in Junior's place last year I think we still would have the same or better total sack count for the year for the team.
I don't agree with this either. You take away pass rush ability and you give run stopping ability (which Galette wasn't near as bad as you are making him out to be), and obviously, the pass rush goes down.
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If I had to choose between paying Cam Jordan or Junior, I would hands down pick Jordan. If I had to pick between paying Hicks or Junior, I would pay Hicks. His potential to pair with a NT and eat up two blocks creates endless opportunity on blitz packages from the second level of the defense.
Ahhh, we finally agree. While I love Junior, I feel Jordan and Hicks are the future of the New Orleans front.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:14 pm to Dont Question Me
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Cooks but that isn't a fair question. We would fill two other positions of need by taking Landry.
Bye Troll.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:14 pm to htran90
Clearly I want Landry verret and our third rounder. Also Byrd would still be there wtf you talking about. Doesn't matter if I think we paid too much.
4thandinches you can't ask an unfair question lmao. For one cooks has not proven that he will be a better receiver than Landry and you totally disregard having another first round player. That's crazy
4thandinches you can't ask an unfair question lmao. For one cooks has not proven that he will be a better receiver than Landry and you totally disregard having another first round player. That's crazy
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:16 pm to bountyhunter
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Individual sack count is irrelevant. If you had a more balanced LB playing in Junior's place last year I think we still would have the same or better total sack count for the year for the team.
Um, no. The guy is a gifted pass rusher.
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I simply think having one of your LB playing as a DE every down he's in is a liability in run/scramble defense. If I had to choose between paying Cam Jordan or Junior, I would hands down pick Jordan. If I had to pick between paying Hicks or Junior, I would pay Hicks. His potential to pair with a NT and eat up four blockers creates endless opportunity on blitz packages from the second level of the defense.
He graded out -0.1 last year against the run, which is just a notch below average. He's not the liability you're making him out to be.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:16 pm to LSUZombie
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Is Dont Question Me a great troll or a terrible one?
Both. Should have bailed 4 pages ago, so kudos to him for sticking around, but he ignores posts he has no rebuttal to. He's getting us worked up though.
He has a troll-y username too. Should have known. He's gotta be an alter.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:17 pm to SaintEB
Someone is going to throw the checkbook at Junior for his sack ability next year I have a feeling.
Would love to keep all three but my gut tells me it will be Cam and Hicks.
Would love to keep all three but my gut tells me it will be Cam and Hicks.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:20 pm to 4thandinches
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Both. Should have bailed 4 pages ago, so kudos to him for sticking around, but he ignores posts he has no rebuttal to. He's getting us worked up though.
No I don't waste my time answering dumb questions
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:20 pm to goatmilker
People want that pass rusher that can disrupt, it is a premium only 2nd to QB.
I think some of you really need to go watch the seattle game again (1st one), you could clearly see the issues we have at LB and Junior when it comes to stopping the run and option QBs.
Yes, we don't play Seattle every week, but chances are if we make it to the NFC championship, we're dealing with a team that has a good RB or one of the mobile QBs in the NFC
I think some of you really need to go watch the seattle game again (1st one), you could clearly see the issues we have at LB and Junior when it comes to stopping the run and option QBs.
Yes, we don't play Seattle every week, but chances are if we make it to the NFC championship, we're dealing with a team that has a good RB or one of the mobile QBs in the NFC
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:23 pm to SaintEB
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Disagree, and so does the rest of the NFL.
Irrelevant is a bad word choice, I apologize. I mean that sack count is a team effort. Often times a sack is caused by cumulative efforts, such as coverage sacks and control of the game. For example, if we lock down the run and control the clock, they will likely be playing from behind. This creates more passing situations, meaning more sack opportunities. Just where I am coming from on it.
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You take away pass rush ability and you give run stopping ability (which Galette wasn't near as bad as you are making him out to be), and obviously, the pass rush goes down.
Comparing a true Defensive End (Hicks) with Galette; Galette had 28 tackles on the year that were not sacks, while Hicks had 53.5. I think what you gain with a more balanced LB is more game control, which opens up more opportunities. Just my view on it.
ETA: and yes I know Hicks' tackle count has a lot to do with his positioning, he was playing as a second DT a lot of the time.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:25 pm to htran90
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I think some of you really need to go watch the seattle game again (1st one), you could clearly see the issues we have at LB and Junior when it comes to stopping the run and option QBs.
The whole team was a liability in that game. They got their arse handed to them.
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if we make it to the NFC championship, we're dealing with a team that has a good RB or one of the mobile QBs in the NFC
If Vaccaro and Bush are healthy, better hope that QB can pass from the pocket with pressure...or, its game over.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:27 pm to Dont Question Me
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No I don't waste my time answering dumb questions
Oh okay, you just ask them
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:28 pm to bountyhunter
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Comparing a true Defensive End (Hicks) with Galette
He is not a true DE, IMO. He is a 3-4 DE. He would be a 3-tech in a true 4-3.
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I think what you gain with a more balanced LB is more game control, which opens up more opportunities
Where does your pass rush come from? In a 3-4, you need that outside guy too.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:28 pm to 4thandinches
No I state my opinion. There's a difference...
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:32 pm to Dont Question Me
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:35 pm to SaintEB
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Where does your pass rush come from? In a 3-4, you need that outside guy too.
Oh I know you need a 4th rusher, but it allows you to disguise it better. If you actually send 5 at the passer you create a lot of confusion for the offensive line. But as in who, you can send a MLB like Humber, who has shown some ability in getting to the backfield. Can also throw in a safety like KV. If you have the right guys up front dominating the blockers you have lots of options. I think Cam Jordan and Hicks creates that scenario.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:36 pm to Dont Question Me
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Clearly I want Landry verret and our third rounder. Also Byrd would still be there wtf you talking about. Doesn't matter if I think we paid too much.
4thandinches you can't ask an unfair question lmao. For one cooks has not proven that he will be a better receiver than Landry and you totally disregard having another first round player. That's crazy
Basically you are saying you would prefer Verret, Jarvis, and DAT/Archer to Cooks and SJB? If that's what you're saying then I'm not going to call you a troll (not on this topic anyway) but I don't agree. In my opinion why do you need Archer and Jarvis when you can have their best qualities all in one player? On the topic of Verret vs SJB I think for what we are trying to do I'd take SJB because I think we are in need of a CB and Verret may be locked in the slot.
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Someone is going to throw the checkbook at Junior for his sack ability next year I have a feeling.
Would love to keep all three but my gut tells me it will be Cam and Hicks.
Loomis signed Junior to a incredibly cheap contract so it's impossible to knock him but man I wish the contact was longer or he didn't have an opt out. He is going to get paid and deservedly so.
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