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re: Our Weakest Positional Group
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:51 am to BigBrod81
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:51 am to BigBrod81
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Just watch how Spiller will open up the underneath & seam routes for our other receivers. I think you are focusing too much on targets, previous production & numbers in general while completely overlooking what the addition brings from a strategical standpoint.
No. I'm super excited about Spiller. But he brings us nothing that Sproles and Bush (at his best) didn't bring. You can convince yourself that Spiller will be some sort of savior, but look at what Sproles gave us in 2011 and 2012. That's almost impossible to reproduce. Even assuming that Spiller is excellent for us this season, we need additional help.
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Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:55 am to LooseCannon22282
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we need a Dwayne Allen type of TE and Watson isn't it.
Maybe one of these guys will step up & show out.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:55 am to bonethug0108
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Seriously how is everyone freaking out over how we can replace Graham when Colston has outplayed him two of the last three years
Because, as bad as Graham was at blocking, WR's block much less often than TEs. I don't know how to access the stats, but your comparison is WAY off because I'm certain that Colston ran WAY more routes than did Graham. You can say Colston outproduced Graham and that's fine. But there's a reason that Graham fetched an elite center and a 1st round pick. What do you think Colston could have gotten us in a trade? A 5th?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:57 am to bonethug0108
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Colston has been steady as frick.
He wasn't good last season. He's a big reason we lost that first game against the Falcons.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:58 am to THRILLHO
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Sproles gave us in 2011 and 2012. That's almost impossible to reproduce.
Again man, you focusing far too hard on production. You are you overlooking the chess piece factor which is something that only shows up in the film room & not particularly on a stat sheet.
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we need additional help.
I'm actually more worried about the guard(s) position than receiver. I'm not sold the team has either solidified or upgraded that area. It's going to be interesting to see who plays where.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 2:04 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:01 am to BigBrod81
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Again man, you focusing far too hard on production.
Production is pretty important.
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You are you overlooking the chess piece factor
We have two legit "chess pieces" in Cooks and Spiller. Both of them are interior players. We have a big lack of talent on the outside.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:03 am to BigBrod81
David Patten was our second leading receiver in 2007, Moore in 2010, and Henderson in 2006, 2008, and 2009. I think Cooks and Colston are better than those three.
Honestly losing Graham isn't nearly as big as losing Stills. Colston was the money goal line target before Graham's rise and Spiller (along with Cooks) will add that span threat that we had with Bush and Sproles around the goal line.
Stills has been our primary deep threat the last two years. Cooks could potentially fill that role but he can do so much more it would be a waste. That leaves Morgan to fill that void. If he can do that then I see no way we aren't a top 5 offense.
Honestly losing Graham isn't nearly as big as losing Stills. Colston was the money goal line target before Graham's rise and Spiller (along with Cooks) will add that span threat that we had with Bush and Sproles around the goal line.
Stills has been our primary deep threat the last two years. Cooks could potentially fill that role but he can do so much more it would be a waste. That leaves Morgan to fill that void. If he can do that then I see no way we aren't a top 5 offense.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:07 am to THRILLHO
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We have two legit "chess pieces" in Cooks and Spiller.
I get that. What you don't get is that those chess pieces will dictate coverages & give opportunities for the other receivers to make plays which will equal getting that production you are concerned about. Defenses will have to try to limit the big play ability of both & in doing so other players will have their opportunity to damage. As a defense, you can't take away everything. Brees will make them pay by going somewhere else when teams do this as long as he stays protected.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 2:11 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:10 am to THRILLHO
quote:Sorry I didn't know 900 yards at 15 ypc wasn't good.
He wasn't good last season. He's a big reason we lost that first game against the Falcons.
And he was only a small part of why that game was lost. A much bigger one was losing contain on the QB letting Ryan scramble and make plays down field. That was a very common theme all year. Also missed tackles say high. People love to focus on that one play as "why we lost" but that's bull shite. Many plays lead to losing a game.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:12 am to BigBrod81
I'm on board with that. Talking about TE's.
Watson just seems like he's just too old. I agree to a certain extent about Spiller.
He's a newcomer so naturally he's something teams won't be used to at first. I think he can make a mark like like Reggie and Sproles did.
I really do... barring injuries of course.
Watson just seems like he's just too old. I agree to a certain extent about Spiller.
He's a newcomer so naturally he's something teams won't be used to at first. I think he can make a mark like like Reggie and Sproles did.
I really do... barring injuries of course.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 2:14 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:18 am to bonethug0108
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And he was only a small part of why that game was lost.
No he wasn't. I forget the exact number, but IIRC the team that wins the turnover battle wins ~70% of the games. I know that his fumble was at an unfortunate time, and that Brees (the only reason our team is worth a shite) has had some untimely TOs, but that doesn't make them any less insignificant.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:19 am to bonethug0108
Colston caught a long pass from Brees to set us deep in Falcons territory in that game.
a few plays later, Brees threw right to McClain who was undercutting the route. McClain picked it off in the endzone.
Horrible.
that play was huge.
I still believe in Colston but I've got to say, last year I was a big Colston homer and he had a few key drops/fumbles.
no WR is perfect though. Julio Jones has had a few costly fumbles against us for example.
a few plays later, Brees threw right to McClain who was undercutting the route. McClain picked it off in the endzone.
Horrible.
that play was huge.
I still believe in Colston but I've got to say, last year I was a big Colston homer and he had a few key drops/fumbles.
no WR is perfect though. Julio Jones has had a few costly fumbles against us for example.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:21 am to LooseCannon22282
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I really do... barring injuries of course.
I agree with everything you just said but this is why the selection of Marcus Murphy was so huge. He gives the team that same ability if something were to happen to Spiller at any point in the season. Fans are sleeping on that draft pick but I'm not. Murphy will prove his worth sooner rather than later.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:21 am to BigBrod81
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What you don't get is that those chess pieces will dictate coverages & give opportunities for the other receivers to make plays which will equal getting that production you are concerned about
No. Don't forget the Pats putting Talib on Graham. A lack of talent on the outside will allow teams to put their best DBs on Spiller/Cooks.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:27 am to THRILLHO
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the team that wins the turnover battle wins ~70% of the games.
This is why improved line play is going to be a huge factor. There were times where completed passes were even rushed. The timing of the offense seemed completely off at times. When that happens you gets forced throws, tipped passes, passes on receivers before they expect the ball & stripped balls because receivers didn't have the time to really secure the ball before getting up field.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:31 am to BigBrod81
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This is why improved line play is going to be a huge factor.
Where is that coming from? Peat most likely isn't better than either Armstead or Strief. Unger will be a huge upgrade. Our guard situation hasn't gotten any better.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 2:33 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:36 am to THRILLHO
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No. Don't forget the Pats putting Talib on Graham. A lack of talent on the outside will allow teams to put their best DBs on Spiller/Cooks.
You basically just proved my point for me. Who benefited that game from that? Kenny Stills. Brees will go else if that is what the defense dictates. If not for Payton going ultra conservative late in that game, it's a Saints win.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:41 am to THRILLHO
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Where is that coming from? Peat most likely isn't better than either Armstead or Strief. Unger will be a huge upgrade. Our guard situation hasn't gotten any better.
That was far from being a prediction but just saying that all this talk about receivers is useless unless the line play improves. Did you not clearly see this post above?
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I'm actually more worried about the guard(s) position than receiver. I'm not sold the team has either solidified or upgraded that area. It's going to be interesting to see who plays where.
Pop one of these man. You worry entirely too much.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 2:48 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:46 am to BigBrod81
Yup guard has a huge question mark whereas we at least know what we have in our starting receivers. I hope Lelito (or even Kelemete) could be solid there, or have Strief or Armstead shift over if Peat is legit. But there are more question at guard than any other position.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:50 am to BigBrod81
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Fans are sleeping on that draft pick but I'm not. Murphy will prove his worth sooner rather than later.
RB's can be pretty interchangeable. I hope it doesn't come down to him but you're right... never underestimate the possibility of a late round pick paying off!!!!!!!
frick YEAH!
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