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re: Mel Kiper offers his opinion on the Saints biggest needs in the upcoming draft
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:59 pm to deuce985
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:59 pm to deuce985
yea that's what ive been saying. We have immediate needs but like WR is deep enough that we can get good value in 2nd and 3rd if needed. LB is pretty deep too.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:04 am to deuce985
If he held his own against Seattle I'm sure he will be alright. The dude was very raw coming out and won the starting job at the end of his rookie season.. He should continue to improve.
Honestly, I am more concerned about Strief but that 4 year contract apparently locks up RT for a while..
C is a need but not one that has to be addressed in the 1st. Lelito may even stand out in camp this year. I know some on this board have high hopes for him.
Oddly enough, drafting an eventual replacement to either of the fatties at G seems to be the biggest need looking forward. Not sure how much money was moved around in the restructure, but they were both set to eat a lot of salary cap.
Honestly, I am more concerned about Strief but that 4 year contract apparently locks up RT for a while..
C is a need but not one that has to be addressed in the 1st. Lelito may even stand out in camp this year. I know some on this board have high hopes for him.
Oddly enough, drafting an eventual replacement to either of the fatties at G seems to be the biggest need looking forward. Not sure how much money was moved around in the restructure, but they were both set to eat a lot of salary cap.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:07 am to deuce985
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I don't get why some of y'all think LT is solidified. Armstead looked good against Seattle but he's still an unproven commodity only playing about 4 games
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They better pick some lineman up in the draft.
You would rather have an inexperienced rookie at LT rather then Armstead who will be going into his second year? Plus Armstead wasn't just good against Seattle, he was dominant. The same goes for the season finale against Tampa & the Wild Card game at Philly.
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would say C, WR, CB is the biggest needs in that order.
The team isn't going to take a center in the first round. First round center come along every blue moon & there is none worth taking in the first this season. Now that can totally change once they reach the 2nd & 3rd rounds.
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So, I'd argue WR is as big of a need as the offensive line right now.
This I can agree with. The teams issues at WR go back into the 2012 season. With this draft being so deep at receiver, it's a must to not only get a receiver(s) but there has to be an emphasis to get players who fit well into what the Saints do offensively.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:09 am to AlexMSU
quote:I agree and Shazier would be strictly pass coverage blitz and cross your fingers they don't run when he's in. He needs the line to keep him clean in the run game.
Unless Mosely falls, I just don't see any available LB's this year that can cover sideline to sideline and impact both the pass and run game similair to Luke Kuechley(sp?) from last year's draft. Shazier would be an interesting pick at #27 for sure though.
But Ohio ran a zone nickel base so you saw a lot of Olinemen have free shots at him. When no one got to him he was usually in on the play.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:15 am to AlexMSU
quote:Check out this thread:
Honestly, I am more concerned about Strief
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and notice who is on every list(yes Grubbs was too). He graded out at +26.5 on PFF(+21.1 taking out penalties where he finished with +5.4). He tied with Brees for the highest grade on the team and was easily our most consistent lineman start to finish.
I think he still gets flack for 2012 when he was injured(and still only finished slightly negative at -1.4).
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 12:28 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:33 am to deuce985
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I don't get why some of y'all think LT is solidified. Armstead looked good against Seattle but he's still an unproven commodity only playing about 4 games. I'm shocked the Saints haven't made a bigger need out of the oline and especially C. I would say C, WR, CB is the biggest needs in that order.
Notice his first 2 games he played like total crap and afterwards he was at least average/above average which led Grubbs to play better which made DLP look better and so on and so forth. He allowed 0 sacks/pressures against SEA iirc, that is not something to scoff at considering one of the best lines in the NFL got manhandled in the superbowl.
@27, LT is a STRONG reach because none of the prospects even grade that high.
Who at 27 would you pick up?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:42 am to bonethug0108
Wow, complete shocker for me. I guess he doesn't give up many sacks, but he looks VERY slow off the snap. 6' 7" frame with long arms helps I guess.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:44 am to bonethug0108
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Shazier would be strictly pass coverage blitz and cross your fingers they don't run when he's in.
Which would mean he isn't an every down player. Most teams won't reach for a player in the first round if they can't be an every down player. That's something a team may look to do at the backend of the draft.
Now Alvin Scioneaux OLB out of Wofford, who the team did have in for a visit fits that mold. He's going to be a late round/UDFA type player. He played OLB but possesses good coverage & ball skills. He's too undersized to be an every down ILB or OLB but he doesn't weigh much less then Shazier & could be a good ILB in passing situations.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:52 am to bonethug0108
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I think he still gets flack for 2012 when he was injured(and still only finished slightly negative at -1.4).
I actually felt bad for Strief that season. The guy wasn't 100% in the Thursday night game where Drew streak ended. He tried to gut it out & play but you could see he was in pain. On a key 3rd down, John Abraham blew by him before Strief could even get out of stance. It was a gutsy attempt to play but he should have sat that game out.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:53 am to htran90
On Armstead, people who aren't sold on him were not watching him. He struggle mightily in the first half against the Panthers but came out after the half and played solid to great ever since.
He's PFF score were -3.7 against the Panthers(-2.4 pass block and -1.4 penalty), +3.8 against the Bucs(+0.8 pass block and +2.6 run block), +1.5 against Philly(-0.1 pass block), and +3.9 against the vaunted Seahawk's D(+2.8 pass block).
He finished +5.5 overall(+9.2 after the Panthers game) with +1.1 pass blocking(+3.5 after the Panthers game) and +3.9 run blocking(+3.8 after the Panthers game).
He gave up 2 of his 4 sacks against the Panthers(and iirc both in the first half), 1 against the Bucs, and 1 against Philly(0 against Seattle). He gave up his only QB hit against the Panthers(also in the first half iirc), along with 2 of his 5 hurries(1 against the Bucs and 2 against Philly). Again he gave up nothing against the Seahawks.
For a rookie out of a small school just getting his feet wet, that is more than damn good. He is our LT of the future. That's why the Saints aren't looking into it.
He's PFF score were -3.7 against the Panthers(-2.4 pass block and -1.4 penalty), +3.8 against the Bucs(+0.8 pass block and +2.6 run block), +1.5 against Philly(-0.1 pass block), and +3.9 against the vaunted Seahawk's D(+2.8 pass block).
He finished +5.5 overall(+9.2 after the Panthers game) with +1.1 pass blocking(+3.5 after the Panthers game) and +3.9 run blocking(+3.8 after the Panthers game).
He gave up 2 of his 4 sacks against the Panthers(and iirc both in the first half), 1 against the Bucs, and 1 against Philly(0 against Seattle). He gave up his only QB hit against the Panthers(also in the first half iirc), along with 2 of his 5 hurries(1 against the Bucs and 2 against Philly). Again he gave up nothing against the Seahawks.
For a rookie out of a small school just getting his feet wet, that is more than damn good. He is our LT of the future. That's why the Saints aren't looking into it.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 1:03 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:56 am to BigBrod81
quote:That was a bit of an exaggeration from me. As long as you scheme to keep him clean he will do well. He can play the run and made a ton of stops despite playing in mostly nickel with guards running right at him.
Which would mean he isn't an every down player.
But really, there is no player we can pick that would be an every down player except for maybe Mosley. Anyone else is going to be part time/future starter.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:02 am to bonethug0108
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As long as you scheme to keep him clean
There isn't much scheming a coach can do to prevent an ILB from having to take on lineman. It's inevitable especially when it comes to pulling lineman. The ILB will have to take on blockers & be able to shed those blockers to make plays.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:05 am to BigBrod81
We normally had either Lofton or Hawthorne take on the lineman depending on the offenses play call and our play call. You can do the same and have Lofton take on the lineman leaving Shazier free to run to the ball(which he is great at).
It's not ideal and that's IF we take him. Like I said I prefer Mosley but he is likely off the table.
It's not ideal and that's IF we take him. Like I said I prefer Mosley but he is likely off the table.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:19 am to 3HourTour
quote:Me!
Anyone else read this in Mel's voice?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:28 am to bonethug0108
Yeah, if we take Mosley, hopefully he'll never leave the field.
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