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Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:19 pm to P bean
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Wow. No. They did it on purpose moron, so they could fleece the Giants.
This is irrelevant to the discussion, as usual you deflect from the original point because your original point, drafting a QB and sitting them behind an established veteran to take over eventually like the Packers with Rodgers/Love is not only not common it’s pretty much just the Packers.
Rivers is also QB. The Chargers were taking a QB because they were a bad team the year before and Brees had struggled. He was benched for 41 year old Doug Flutie mid way thru the 21 season. That situation is not comparable the the current Saints possibly taking QB with Carr a 32 y/o vet going into his 11th season.
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follow some fricking football shite man youre clueless.
Haha you calling other people clueless when you can’t understand a simple point will always be hilarious
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:42 pm to P bean
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Bolded is after 2000, which is still very relevant. Literally almost ALL of this qb stashing listed occurred AFTER 2000.
Actually the situations before 2011 are not relevant. In 2011 the new CBA put limits on rookie contracts in both money and years. Last years #1 pick Bryce Young got less than Sam Bradford the #1 pick in 2010. It’s also a 4 year contract with a 5th year club option for first rounders and players cannot get an extension until after the 3rd year. This is a huge advantage for teams with a stud QB on a rookie deal which is wasted by sitting a QB for multiple years like Green Bay.
Maybe you should learn some football stuff instead of just regurgitating lists of teams that drafted or acquired a back up QB
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:28 pm to jamal
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None of the top three QBs are dropping.
You missed the point.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:48 pm to goatmilker
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That's just another mongoloid BS lie. Show me. You can't. I never said it. Like I said my bad.
We can read bruh.
You though you had a point though lol.
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quote: Lol. Bruh. You think the Chargers sufferred from that?????????? They did it on purpose idiot.
Really? Oct 7th 2021
So they didnt do it on purpose to make the Giants pay them Rivers and three picks (including a 1st) now?
Just an accident to you huh tard?
Lol classic.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Actually the situations before 2011 are not relevant.
Youre truly slow.
Are you trying to argue that teams drafting young qb’s to replace old qb’s hasnt happened throughout nfl history, recent, 2000’s, and beyond??
A groomed replacement aint new.
LOL.
Bruh learn football and shutup.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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drafting a QB and sitting them behind an established veteran to take over eventually like the Packers with Rodgers/Love is not only not common it’s pretty much just the Packers.
Yeah. You are truly dumb.
But ignore the recent history as well as old if you want to be ignorant.
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The italicized happened in the last 10 years, and very recently.Mahomes, J Love, Lamar, and Herbert. Edit - also Lance.
Now shutup.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:09 pm to P bean
You quoted nothing but yourself mongoloid.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:43 pm to goatmilker
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You quoted nothing but yourself mongoloid.
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Really? Oct 7th 2021
Really????????? LOL. Wahh Karen’s mad she looks stupid.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:51 pm to P bean
What I said:
Your examples:
Was supposed to be 1-year, but Lance sucked arse.
Ancient
Ancient
1 year
Prescott wasn't even supposed to be good and he just got the shot when Romo was hurt (his rookie year, mind you). They didn't draft Dak to sit.
Then Romo retired.
No clue why you didn't try to use Flynn/Wilson too
Garapolo was never set to be the starter and only filled in for a game or 2 while Brady was suspended....also, ancient.
Ancient
Ancient
Ancient and Manning played in his first pro game
1-year (and more like 4-5 weeks)
Again 1 year
So yeah, you just proved my point. Either ancient examples, examples of 1-year sits, OR the packers with Rodgers and Love.
Thanks for proving my point
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One example under the current CBA, where all the positive EV for a QB is on his rookie deal.
You have the Packers and then either (1) situations that are ancient or (2) 1-year sits, which is fine (but which we can't really afford to do).
Your examples:
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Niners - Garrapolo/Lance[/img]
Was supposed to be 1-year, but Lance sucked arse.
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Chargers - Flutie/brees/rivers (bress sat for 1, rivers sat for 2 years)
Ancient
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Packers - favre/rodgers/[i]J love
Ancient
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Chiefs - Smith/mahomes
1 year
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Cowboys - Romo/Prescott
Prescott wasn't even supposed to be good and he just got the shot when Romo was hurt (his rookie year, mind you). They didn't draft Dak to sit.
Then Romo retired.
No clue why you didn't try to use Flynn/Wilson too
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Patriots - Brady/Garropolo
Garapolo was never set to be the starter and only filled in for a game or 2 while Brady was suspended....also, ancient.
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Falcons - Chandler/Vick
Ancient
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Bengals - Kitna/Palmer (sat for 1 year)
Ancient
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Giants - Warner/Eli Manning
Ancient and Manning played in his first pro game
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Chargers - Tyrod Taylor/Herbert -
1-year (and more like 4-5 weeks)
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Raven - Flacco/Lamar Jackson - Lamar sat until week 11 after Flacco got hurt.
Again 1 year
So yeah, you just proved my point. Either ancient examples, examples of 1-year sits, OR the packers with Rodgers and Love.
Thanks for proving my point
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:12 pm to P bean
So you're quoting the date Eli made the statement as proof I said what I didn't.
You know I deserve it. Engaging with a paid shite poster. This site sucks.
You know I deserve it. Engaging with a paid shite poster. This site sucks.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:26 pm to goatmilker
Considering how things are, unless you get the top 3 guys, or convinced a guy like nix can be elite... You do not draft a Qb this yeaf. Ideally save it for 26 with carr's current structure (you're stuck with him 3 more years).
As of right now, you need to rebuild an OL, DL, S group. Build up quality talent over the next 2 years, find a Qb to groom in 2-3 years, and transition into 4 years of controlled rookie Qb play with a more loaded roster.
As of right now, you need to rebuild an OL, DL, S group. Build up quality talent over the next 2 years, find a Qb to groom in 2-3 years, and transition into 4 years of controlled rookie Qb play with a more loaded roster.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Again 1 year So yeah, you just proved my point. Either ancient examples, examples of 1-year sits, OR the packers with Rodgers and Love.
One, examples after 2000 are not ancient.
Ancient would be examples from early NFL history - of which there are several, LOL.
As stated Unitas’s backup was groomed and was MVP, his name is Earl Morral. This is ancient.
And dude ?? Youre trying to distunguish by how long they sat for????
Disingenuous argument to say the least, and drafting a replacement qb to groom aint new.
We literally almost did it with Brees/Mahomes, teams draft replacement often, and it happens often. We signed Jameis and groomed him to replace Brees.
Its literally no secret that we want a talented young un with potential behind Carr.
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Thanks for proving my point
I dont think you have a point, unless what youre trying to say is that the Saints would pass on J Daniels if he dropped.
If that is what youre saying then LOL, nice try.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:30 pm to htran90
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unless you get the top 3 guys,
Agreed. This thread is about J Daniels.
If he drops he is an obvious take. SFP is just a Karen.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:32 pm to goatmilker
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So you're quoting the date Eli made the statement as proof I said what I didn't. You know I deserve it. Engaging with a paid shite poster. This site sucks.
You made yourself look dumb get over it.
You Eli screwed the Chargers. Wrong idiot. They drafted him on purpose and the Giants had to pay to get him.
But yeah, Im sure you know how the NFL works, righhhtt????? LOL
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:02 pm to P bean
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One, examples after 2000 are not ancient.
The new CBA changed the paradigm, so yeah, they are.
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And dude ?? Youre trying to distunguish by how long they sat for????
Uh yeah, that's the point.
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And bench Carr while his cap hit is over $50M/year for a couple of years?
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So he rides the bench during almost his entire rookie contract, or we bench Carr when his cap hit is over $50M for a few years?
Neither scenario is very optimal from a decision-making scenario.
How long he sits is crucial, b/c the +EV decision is to ride an elite QB on a rookie deal. You get 5 years of that, max, but more realistically 4.
Having him sit for 3-4 years destroys that value entirely, which makes it -EV.
For our specific situation, the EV of having the rookie play on that deal is completely offset and neutralized by Carr having the cap impact of a top tier starting QB for years 3 and 4 of that rookie deal.
Our cap situation making Carr unable to be cut destroys the only +EV scenario possible.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Having him sit for 3-4 years destroys that value entirely, which makes it -EV.
And Carr’s contract is for 2026. How many years is that from now? Not 3.
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Uh yeah, that's the point.
No its not. Its your point. Which has nothing to do with the fact that teams draft young qbs as a backup plan when their qb is old.
And got nothing to do with the liklihood that the saints would take Daniels if there. Because they obviously would. Similar to how Jackosn got drafted as ins behind Flacco/heir apparent. Or any other of the list I posted already, with Jackson, Mahomes, Lance etc
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 10:07 pm
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