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re: Jayden Daniels Meeting With The Saints
Posted on 3/2/24 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/2/24 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Packers could absorb the dead cap cutting him. Can we do the same with Carr in 2025? The answer is no.
The answer is yes. Easily.
Packers drafted Love in 2020.
Their dead cap at the END of the season for 2022 was over $30 million, and dead cap after losing ARod in 2023 was $67million. These are very Saints like numbers. $97 million over a two year span.
For comparison, Saints deadcap at the end of 2023 was $35 million, and $43 million in 2022. $78 million over a two year span.
The packers operate similarly to the Saints, as do several other teams, with restructures etc.
Packers had a huge deadcap looming and still drafted Love.
Common practice. Bruh Karen think she knows something, get a grip lady.
Please dont cite offseason pre free agency numbers in response its meaningless.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 11:52 am
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 11:56 am to H-Town Tiger
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A QB available at 14 would not necessarily be the BPA.
Are you nuts?
Any of the top 3 qbs in this draft would be bpa at 14.
Get real.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 11:56 am to P bean
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Common practice. Bruh
1 team is not common practice
Posted on 3/2/24 at 11:59 am to H-Town Tiger
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Green Bay did it so that’s the way to do it apparently
Yes. It is the way to do it. Saints almost DID it with Brees/Mahomes.
The way Green Bay has done it has lead to them having two Hall of Fame qbs, two SuperBowls, and a promising new qb fresh off a 30 td season.
The niners (Montana/Young/Garcia), chargers (Brees/Rivers), cheifs (Smith/Mahomes) etc have all done it.
Grooming the next man up is common practice.
Gtf outta here with the retard responses. This shite AINT NEW.
fricking follow some football shite man.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/2/24 at 12:15 pm to LSUpelsSaints
Why? Do they need another QB or waste draft choices ignoring areas of more need.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 12:16 pm to P bean
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Their dead cap at the END of the season for 2022 was over $30 million, and dead cap after losing ARod in 2023 was $67million. These are very Saints like numbers. $97 million over a two year span.
For comparison, Saints deadcap at the end of 2023 was $35 million, and $43 million in 2022. $78 million over a two year span.
You do realize that total deadcap is only part of this discussion, right?
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Common practice.
One example (that isn't comparable to our situation) = common.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 12:36 pm to P bean
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The niners (Montana/Young/Garcia), chargers (Brees/Rivers), cheifs (Smith/Mahomes) etc have all done it.
None of these situations are what Green Bay did. SF traded for Young after the 1986 season because Montana had back issues they thought were career threatening. Montana of course recovered and Young was the back up because there was no salary cap and no free agency in the late 80s. Garcia was a free agent they signed from the CFL to be the back up Qb not “next man up” he became the starter when young was injured and had to retire due concussions.
The Chargers had the first pick and took Eli Manning who they had to trade for Rivers because he refused to play for them. Brees was only in year 3 and was terrible the year before, he was not an established vet. His break out season was 2004. They let him walk after 2005 because he had a devastating shoulder injury and they had a viable alternative.
KC targeted and traded up to draft Mahomes. He didn’t fall to them taking BPA.
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fricking follow some football shite man.
It’s you that needs to do this instead of trying to create your own narrative
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You do realize that total deadcap is only part of this discussion, right?
You are the one saying we couldnt move on from Carr/not draft a qb because of his 2026 dead cap hit.
JLove sat for 3 full years. ARod - 3 full years.
Which is why the situation with ARod is on par. In 2020 the packers knew ARod may retire/leave etc. They drafted their heir apparent, regardless of what could happen with their cap - dead cap looming etc. that was the right move.
Saints know Carr will be getting long in the tooth by age 36 or so (and he aint ARod) - bad cap or not we are going to be looking for the heir apparent.
Just like we would have done with Brees/Mahomes given the chance.
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One example (that isn't comparable to our situation) = common.
One example? No. Literally been done repeatedly in nfl history. When your QB is old lots of teams invest in a high draft pick for a potential heir apparent.
Niners - montana/young/garcia
Niners - Garrapolo/Lance
Chargers - Flutie/brees/rivers (bress sat for 1, rivers sat for 2 years)
Packers - favre/rodgers/J love
Chiefs - Smith/mahomes
Cowboys - Romo/Prescott
Patriots - Brady/Garropolo
Falcons - Chandler/Vick
Bengals - Kitna/Palmer (sat for 1 year)
Giants - Warner/Eli Manning
Chargers - Tyrod Taylor/Herbert - was going to sit until Tyrod got hurt
Raven - Flacco/Lamar Jackson - Lamar sat until week 11 after Flacco got hurt.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The Chargers had the first pick and took Eli Manning who they had to trade for Rivers because he refused to play for them.
Lol. Bruh. You think the Chargers sufferred from that??????????
They did it on purpose idiot.
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KC targeted and traded up to draft Mahomes. He didn’t fall to them taking BPA.
No shite. The Saints go bpa. Who the frick said the chiefs waited for Mahomes?
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fricking follow some football shite man.
I’ll just leave this here - follow some fricking football shite man youre clueless.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:24 pm to P bean
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Lol. Bruh. You think the Chargers sufferred from that??????????
They did it on purpose idiot.
Really?
Oct 7th 2021
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During an interview on the "10 Questions with Kyle Brandt" podcast, Eli finally revealed why he refused to play for the Chargers, who were then located in San Diego.
"It was my decision having talked with my agent, coaches, [general managers] and owners," Manning said. "Going through the draft process, I was just worried about the Chargers organization at the time. I felt it was the right decision and I had a little pull. I quietly tried to say 'Hey, please don't draft me, it can be our secret,' and they didn't keep the secret part very well."
CBSPORTS
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:43 pm to P bean
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Lol. Bruh. You think the Chargers sufferred from that??????????
I honestly have no idea what this even means
Suffered from what? I never suggested they did, I just pointed out a simple fact. quote:
They did it on purpose idiot.
Yes they drafted a QB because they sucked and had the #1 pick and Brees after 3 years had struggled
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No shite. The Saints go bpa. Who the frick said the chiefs waited for Mahomes?
A) BPA is not exclusive to the Saints
B) we were comparing the Saints drafting a QB this year with Carr under contract. You claim this is common practice which it is not but use KC as an example, they didn’t just take a QB because he was BPA they targeted and trade up for him. Thats different than the Saints possibly taking a QB if he falls. Follow the discussion instead of jumping in with irrelevant stupidity
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I’ll just leave this here - follow some fricking football shite man youre clueless.
People like you have no sense of irony
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:45 pm to goatmilker
Are you dumb?
And what do you think this means???
The Chargers got Rivers AND draft picks from the Giants in exchange for Eli.
They knew and drafted Eli on purpose. And made the Giants pay to get him.
LINK
Goodness gracious we got some doofus’ on this board.
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"Going through the draft process, I was just worried about the Chargers organization at the time. I felt it was the right decision and I had a little pull. I quietly tried to say 'Hey, please don't draft me, it can be our secret,' and they didn't keep the secret part very well."
And what do you think this means???
The Chargers got Rivers AND draft picks from the Giants in exchange for Eli.
They knew and drafted Eli on purpose. And made the Giants pay to get him.
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Chargers traded Manning—the No. 1 overall pick to the Giants. In exchange, San Diego received the following from New York: Philip Rivers, the Giants' third round pick in 2004 along with their first and fifth round selections in the 2005 draft.
LINK
Goodness gracious we got some doofus’ on this board.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Yes they drafted a QB because they sucked and had the #1 pick and Brees after 3 years had struggled
Wow.
No. They did it on purpose moron, so they could fleece the Giants.
They drafted Eli and traded Eli to fhe Giants for Rivers and picked up the Giants 3rd rounder in 04 and 1st/5th rounders in 05. They literally got Rivers and three picks including a future first rounder.
I’ll just leave this here - follow some fricking football shite man youre clueless.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 3/2/24 at 6:21 pm to LSUpelsSaints
LSU player.
This board:
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Posted on 3/3/24 at 9:06 am to P bean
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You are the one saying we couldnt move on from Carr/not draft a qb because of his 2026 dead cap hit.
In combination with our entire cap situation
We are already over the 2025 cap, brother (it's 2024).
The Packers were not in nearly as dire of a cap situation as the Saints are now.
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Which is why the situation with ARod is on par.
Everyone agrees that is the ONE example of this in the modern era.
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One example?
One example under the current CBA, where all the positive EV for a QB is on his rookie deal.
You have the Packers and then either (1) situations that are ancient or (2) 1-year sits, which is fine (but which we can't really afford to do).
Posted on 3/3/24 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We are already over the 2025 cap, brother (it's 2024).
Which means nothing, just like the cap going INTO this 2024 free agency season meant nothing.
And the packers were in a horrible cap situation - why do you think they were mad at ARod?????? They couldnt plan because they didnt know what he would do.
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Everyone agrees that is the ONE example of this in the modern era.
Can you read? And define everyone - who’s that you and the other Karens on here? What a gaslighter man, everyone agrees my arse. Who your Mom agrees with you?
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Niners - montana/young/garcia
Niners - Garrapolo/Lance[/img]
Chargers - Flutie/brees/rivers (bress sat for 1, rivers sat for 2 years)
Packers - favre/rodgers/[i]J love
Chiefs - Smith/mahomes
Cowboys - Romo/Prescott
Patriots - Brady/Garropolo
Falcons - Chandler/Vick
Bengals - Kitna/Palmer (sat for 1 year)
Giants - Warner/Eli Manning
Chargers - Tyrod Taylor/Herbert - was going to sit until Tyrod got hurt
Raven - Flacco/Lamar Jackson - Lamar sat until week 11 after Flacco got hurt.
Nothing modern huh? Soo long ago.
The italicized happened in the last 10 years, and very recently. Mahomes, J Love, Lamar, and Herbert. Edit - also Lance.
Bolded is after 2000, which is still very relevant. Literally almost ALL of this qb stashing listed occurred AFTER 2000.
And there are other examples in past history. Johnny Unitas’ backup won MVP after Unitas retired.
Common practice Karen.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 12:51 pm to P bean
So your saying we can out bid any team for any amount of players we want to keep or pick up in FA. Let's start with that KC Dlineman.
That's great news.
That's great news.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 1:21 pm to goatmilker
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So your saying we can out bid any team for any amount of players we want to keep or pick up in FA. Let's start with that KC Dlineman.
What? We talking about drafting Jayden Daniels retard.
Tell me again how the chargers got blindsided by Eli again buddy. Youre a real football savant huh? LOL.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 3:02 pm to P bean
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We are already over the 2025 cap, brother (it's 2024).
Which means nothing, just like the cap going INTO this 2024 free agency season meant nothing.
And the packers were in a horrible cap situation - why do you think they were mad at ARod?????? They couldnt plan because they didnt know what he would do
I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was debating a mongoloid.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 3:04 pm to goatmilker
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was debating a mongoloid
Oh we’re not having a debate.
You think the Chargers got screwed by Eli, you are like little brother I feel sorry for.
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