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re: Graphical representation of win/loss records with our rivals.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:54 am to DoubleDown
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:54 am to DoubleDown
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Just think, when we do win 1, it's not going to be tainted by scandal.
At least we dont kill dogs or tear down churches to build a stadium.
There is a special place in hell designated for all AT-Fail fans.
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:27 am to DoubleDown
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Just think, when we do win 1
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it's not going to be tainted by scandal. It's a shame y'alls has an asterisk next to it.
This is Saints Talk...not Patriots Talk.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:38 am to lsutiger2010
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lsutiger2010
Did you post a picture of the SEA playoff game in which we won? That's awesome! Thanks bro, glad you support my Dirty Birds.
Should've posted a pic from the SF NFC Championship game, that's the 1 we lost. I can see your confusion though, NO losing more frequently to SEA in playoff games and all...
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:03 pm to DoubleDown
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tainted by scandal. It's a shame y'alls has an asterisk next to it.
Do people still think this?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:09 pm to sicboy
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It's a shame y'alls has an asterisk next to it.
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Do people still think this?
Yes. Even though its not true those in Minnesota and Georgia have seen in written with a asterisk in local papers.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:25 pm to DoubleDown
You know whats funny, the fact that you guys are part of a scandal too. Pumping noise because the lack of fans... 
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:34 pm to htran90
That is a good one. Little did we all know what rise up meant.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:46 pm to htran90
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You know whats funny, the fact that you guys are part of a scandal too. Pumping noise because the lack of fans...
Oh wait, so it was just lack of fans and not for competitive advantage when the opposing team has the ball on O?
Let me go cry about it for 3 years and say it wasn't a scandal at all!! Sound like a fan base you know?
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:48 pm to DoubleDown
So you're about as clueless as every other Atlanta sports fan.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:50 pm to DoubleDown
There are still people that believe Roger Goodell's version of bountygate? I thought you people died off.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:54 pm to motorbreath
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There are still people that believe Roger Goodell's version of bountygate? I thought you people died off.
Not really. But I honestly didn't care that you had a bounty system in place. The fact that Saints fans believe there wasn't 1 at all are the ones that make me laugh.
You're own coaches admitted to it. But anyways, let's get back to what matters. The Saints vs. Falcons rivalry.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:58 pm to DoubleDown
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Let me go cry about it for 3 years and say it wasn't a scandal at all!!
We never liked his wording DD. We DID NOT pay players to intentionally hurt other players. Ever. But that was his narrative and its mostly stuck and that pisses us off to this day.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:12 pm to goatmilker
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We never liked his wording DD. We DID NOT pay players to intentionally hurt other players. Ever. But that was his narrative and its mostly stuck and that pisses us off to this day.
Simply not true. Also had pay for incentives such as downing a ball on a punt inside the 20$.
The system was in place. Now nothing dirty ever really happened BUT that doesn't change the fact that the system was in place.
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Some snippets since most of you don't care to read it all:
1) For instance, a special teamer who downed a kick returner inside the receiving team's 20-yard-line earned $100. Players could also be fined for mental mistakes and penalties. Players also received "bounties" for "cart-offs" (plays in which an opponent was removed from the field on a stretcher or cart) and "knockouts" (plays that resulted in a player being unable to return for the rest of the game). Players usually earned $1,000 for "cart-offs" and $1,500 for "knockouts" during the regular season, though they were encouraged to put their winnings back into the pot in order to raise the stakes as the season went on. Payments were known to double or even triple during the playoffs.
2) The NFL sent a confidential and detailed memo to all 32 teams detailing its findings. It revealed that the Saints had not only targeted Warner and Favre during the 2009 playoffs, but had also targeted Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton during the 2011 regular season.[17] According to that memo, Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma offered $10,000 cash to any teammate who knocked Favre out of the NFC Championship Game.[12] Another source told CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman that Reggie Bush's agent at the time, Michael Ornstein, was closely involved in the scheme from the beginning. Ornstein contributed $10,000 to the pot in 2009, and an undisclosed amount in 2011.
3) The league found that Payton not only knew about the scheme, but tried to cover it up during both league investigations. During the 2010 investigation, Payton told Williams and Vitt to "make sure our ducks are in a row" when the league interviewed them. Before the start of the 2011 season, Payton received an email from Ornstein detailing the broader lines of the scheme. In that same email, Ornstein offered $5,000 to anyone who knocked Rodgers out of the 2011 season opener. Payton initially denied knowing that this email existed, but subsequently admitted that in fact he had read it.
4) The NFL found that Payton and Loomis' misfeasance amounted to "conduct detrimental" to the league.[21] The NFL found no club money had been used to fund the bounty pool, and praised Benson for doing what he could to shut down the slush fund. Nonetheless, it found the Saints organization as a whole guilty of conduct detrimental to the league as well due to Williams and the players' maintenance of the bounty pool, as well and Loomis and Payton's failure to act "in a responsible manner" to stop it.
So there you go. It happened albeit that other teams did it as well. Just accept that it happened though. 1st step to healing the wound.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:34 pm to DoubleDown
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So there you go. It happened albeit that other teams did it as well. Just accept that it happened though. 1st step to healing the wound.
Which player that was said to have placed money on hurting someone, per a "source", served any suspension?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:54 pm to DoubleDown
you were much better on here when you didnt have the whiny bitch mentality
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:02 pm to docTQ4
I'm guessing that the center line is even amount of wins and losses and each line to the left is plus 1 more loss than wins and to the right is plus 1 more win than losses. But yeah, it's pretty poorly labeled.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:34 pm to DoubleDown
Information from Gregg Williams & Mike Cerullo. 
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:52 pm to BigBrod81
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Ginsberg asked Vitt about an interview with NFL investigators Joe Hummel and Jeff Miller in March 2012: "Jeff Miller and Joe Hummel showed me documents, and they said that I think it was 8-10 players had testified to these documents are true and, you know, that some coaches have come in and said that these documents - corroborated these documents and there's a bounty program in place. And I was absolutely shocked. And I could remember like it was yesterday looking at Joe Hummel and Jeff Miller in the face saying, you've got two guys responsible for this. This is Mike Cerullo, and this is Gregg Williams, both disgruntled employees that have been fired at our company. They denied even knowing who Mike Cerullo was, but they agreed with me that, yeah, Gregg Williams is a little crazy. They both agreed with me on that. So I would say that it wasn't a very good meeting."
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When asked what else did he say to the investigators when you were asked if there was a bounty program, Vitt said, "I said that under no circumstances have any of our players ever crossed the white line with the intent of injuring, maiming or taking away the career of another player in the National Football League. I tried to explain to them that it is certainly not very good business that if you want to pay a player $500 of $1,000 or whatever number figure you want to put on to go out and end a career of another player, he's going to be ostracized in the league by the players themselves in this league, because that's not what they do; and then, No. 2, there's a pretty good chance he's going to serve a four-game suspension that's going to take away a quarter of his salary. So it's just not good business. It's not the way you try to teach, motivate and inspire your players to become world champions if you're going to have a bounty system in place and you're going to do this."
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Ginsberg: "Were you specific and clear that the allegations that Jonathan had put money on Brett Favre to knock him out of the game did not happen?"
Vitt: "Yes, and I stated so in front of a Federal Judge also. But, I mean, this is the same format in which I'm accused of putting a $5,000 bounty on a player, that I put $5,000 into a program. It's what I'm alleged to have done also. It's been acknowledged by the league that I certainly didn't do that, but it's still going up on every slide that I see and every bit of evidence that's out there, that Mike Cerullo hand drew in $5,000 that I gave to a bounty. I've offered to take a lie detector test, and I've offered to sign a sworn affidavit. Nobody wants to take one. So I'm in the same boat. One is for $10,000, and I'm in for $5,000. I'm in the same boat."
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"I guess it's a joke. I guess it's just a big joke. I can tell you, there's no one in New Orleans laughing, and no one in our organization is laughing. I'll tell you who is not laughing, is our owner Mr. Benson. Because Jeff Miller took a plane ride from New York down to New Orleans, and the way he talked to our owner, what he said to our owner made me want to throw up, to the point where Mr. Benson kicked him off the property and didn't let him back on the property; the third time when I talked to Jeff Miller at the Hilton.
"This is - let me tell you something. This almost killed our owner. Our owner has done nothing but be a great owner in the National Football League the whole time he's been in the league. ... And now this guy takes a plane ride down and throws some documents in front of our owner's face, and our owner has got to kick him out of the building? That's what we're dealing with. That's fine."
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"Upon Jeff Miller's arrival in New Orleans when Mr. Benson kicked him off the property, our organization called the next day that the NFL was going to have a press release, and they were going to expose what they thought was a bounty system. Now, I had not talked to any investigators yet. And so I had to read a press release that was sent to me from New York that said in the press release that I gave $5,000 to a bounty and was actively involved in financing of injuring other players. I told Vicky Neumeyer, who is our team attorney, they can put in there whatever they want to, but at no point in time did that ever happen. Well, they took that sentence out.
"Four days later, Jonathan Vilma is on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and article written by Peter King, explaining in detail what this bounty system was all about. Now no one - I have never talked to the league investigators before any of this. But my name, my name was on the release that I gave $5,000 or I actively was involved in a bounty to hurt other players. I have not talked to anybody.
"So, you know, I don't know where they got that from. I do now. I do now. I know now that Mike Cerullo told them that. Now, Jeff Miller and Joe Hummel vehemently denied that they ever heard Mike Cerullo's name. Mike Cerullo is not even in this. We never heard of him. We're getting this testimony from players and coaches that worked in your facility that are corroborating this evidence. So I guess Mike Cerullo is involved with this, though. Mike Cerullo is big time."
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"I'll say this. I may be wrong, but I thought that the first time that these investigators - when Mickey went up to New York, Mickey showed these investigators a threatening letter that he got from Mike Cerullo in the middle of the '11 season. I know for a fact somewhere along the line, and I don't know who I heard this from, whether it was my director of security or somebody, that an e-mail was sent to the league about Mike Cerullo long before these charges were brought up on our football team saying that Mike Cerullo was crazy, that Sean Payton had to have a police escort or, excuse me, police protection at his house because he was going to the owners' meeting, and he was worried about his family with Cerullo. This is the kind of guy we're dealing with, alright?
"So this whole investigation has centered abound Cerullo. It hasn't been what the investigators told me, well, we've got 7-10 players, we've got former coaches that are corroborating all this evidence, the 50,000 pages and 18,00 documents, we have it all corroborated. So, (expletive), now I'm thinking, goddamn, Gleason has ALS, Kevin Turner's got ALS. I'm getting buyer's remorse. Maybe I'm coaching this game wrong. Maybe I'm coaching it wrong. This whole thing is because of Mike Cerullo. Our general manager is suspended, the head coach is out for a full year because of Mike Cerullo? Mike Cerullo? That's what we think. That's ..."
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Vitt: "No. Again, I'm going to say this, and I've got Drew Brees sitting right here, I've got Marques Colston sitting right here, I've got Jahri Evans sitting right here, I've got Vilma, Fujita sitting right here. What goes around in this league comes around. So if you teach your team to maim an opponent, sooner or later it's going to come back and get you because it's an unforgiving league. So to answer your question in short, no."
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GTFO with that bullshite man.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:33 pm to DoubleDown
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Cerullo's handwritten documentation of alleged earnings, fines and payouts and information submitted to the league via interviews has been some of the NFL's primary evidence against the players and team officials. The information that Cerullo and Williams provided led the league to suspend the four players on two occasions, as well as Coach Sean Payton, General Manager Mickey Loomis, and linebackers/interim head coach Joe Vitt. Williams is still serving an indefinite suspension handed down by the league for his role in organizing the program. Payton is out until after Super Bowl XLVII while Loomis and Vitt have served their suspensions.
According to Cerullo's signed May 22 affidavit, Vilma asked to address the Saints before the 2009 NFC divisional game against Arizona. Cerullo said Vilma raised his hands in the air holding "two five stacks," which Cerullo interpreted as $10,000, for anyone who knocked Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner out of the game. Cerullo said he collected the money from Vilma and gave it to Williams. The money wasn't paid, though, because Warner wasn't knocked out of the game, although he was forced to leave the field following a brutal hit by defensive end Bobby McCray.
Cerullo said Vilma addressed the Saints the next week leading up to the NFC championship game and Vilma said his offer from the divisional game "still stands" for any player who knocked out Vikings quarterback Brett Favre. Cerullo said other players, including Smith and Fujita, began pledging money to the pool.
Williams told Cerullo after Super Bowl XLIV to get rid of the pay-for-performance documents from a computer and Vitt followed up to see if Cerullo deleted the files, according to the affidavit.
Cerullo said he was in a meeting where Vitt told Hargrove to deny any knowledge of the pay-for-performance program. Cerullo added that to the best of his recollection, Hargrove responded by saying, "I can lie with the best of them."
Cerullo admitted in the affidavit that Williams put him in charge of the pay-for-performance program. Cerullo also said players were paid $1,000 for "cart-off" hits and $1,500 for "knock-out" hits and the plan was to up the price during the 2009 playoffs.
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The NFL responded in mid-September with a statement defending Cerullo: "Mike Cerullo should be commended for coming forward. The information and detail he provided was credible and has since been confirmed in numerous respects both by other witnesses and by supporting documents. It is unfortunate that some have sought to unfairly attack his integrity rather than give attention to the substance of his declaration."
Ginsberg included in a Oct. 29 court filing an email Cerullo sent to NFL spokesman Greg Aiello on Nov. 11, 2011:
"So I have info on Saints Joe Vitt Lying to your NFL Investigator on Bounties from 2010, along with proof!!!
"I was there, in the cover up meeting, with players and Joe, I love the NFL and want to work there again, but I am afraid if I tell thge (the) truth I will never coach again in NFL, But I was fired for a situation that the Saints encourage..
"All I want is a Job back in the NFL as a QC Coach anywhere, so If talking to you jepodizes (jeopardizes) that I will have to get back to you, but The Saints are a Dirty Organization
"Contact me
"mike c"
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According to the investigation by Vilma's counsel, Cerullo twice lied to the Saints about personal leave of absences. The first instance allegedly involved an accident with his girlfriend who lived out of town and Cerullo asked Vitt to leave the Saints for a brief period of time. The second allegedly happened during the 2009 playoffs when Cerullo asked for time away after a death to someone close to Cerullo's girlfriend.
Cerullo wasn't retained after the 2009 season. He spent time on the Connecticut football staff during the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and now serves as Princeton's director of football operations.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:38 pm to BigBrod81
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Ginsberg finally asked Vitt to describe Cerullo. Vitt cut him off and went off.
"If I took Mike Cerullo, who was sitting right here right now, and Commissioner, asked him to get up on the board and diagram 11 offensive players and 11 defensive players, No. 1, he couldn't do that," Vitt said. "He could not draw a pro offense, a slot set. He could not give me a pro set. He could not give me I split, I near, I far backs, and that's after being in this league for three years. So when we hired him in '08 at the suggestion from some coaches from Syracuse, we had him on the offensive side of the ball. Doug Marrone is a Syracuse grad. He's now the head coach at Syracuse. He kind if stuck up for Cerullo a little bit, he was going to try to show him the way. As soon as Doug Marrone left, we begged Doug Marrone to take this guy with him back to Syracuse and give him a position. Doug said, no, he's staying right there. So the offense had had enough of Mike Cerullo.
"So we brought him to the defensive side of the ball, because no matter what anybody says, you know, we're not quick to hire and slow to fire. We are slow to hire, but we are also slow to fire. We want to give people their chance to make our football team and make their contributions to the league. So now we get Cerullo to the defensive side. So my first exposure to Mike Cerullo is in '08. We're in Las Vegas. Mike Cerullo, because I'm the assistant head coach, comes to me and tells me he's got financial problems, that his father has got cancer, that he's spending a lot of money back home for his father's chemotherapy. I fix him up with Dennis Lauscha. Dennis Lauscha is our president and CEO. Dennis helps him file for bankruptcy. I think we give him a little bit of money.
"Well, the first trip that we take as a staff out to Las Vegas to see some Las Vegas shows with our wives, here comes Mike Cerullo, pulls up with two limos, and two girls get out of each limo. So he's just declared bankruptcy, but he can go buy - get two limos with a bunch of girls coming out. So as stupid as I am, and I know how dumb I am, and I'm going to be reminded in a couple of minutes how dumb I am, the red light went off for me.
"We get to the '09 season. This man missed three weeks in a 16-game schedule. ... The first time, he told us he had to go out and visit his fiancé and their kids, because there was a sickness in the family, his fiancé is an orthopedic surgeon, he had to help the kids get to school, there's some illness. Listen, we don't need him anyway, let him go out there. So he goes out there for a week early in the year.
"Midseason he comes back and tells us my sister's - excuse me, my fiance's brother has flown to Haiti to help with the Haiti Relief Fund after the earthquake. There's an aftershock, and her brother is now killed in the aftershock. She's got to get over there to identify the body, I've got to fly to Oklahoma to watch the kids. He's gone for another week. He comes to our team security guy, and he's got to go out there another week to retrieve an engagement ring that he gave to a girl that he had never met. So that's a third week.
"A week after the season ends, it's a Friday night, I'm saying not more than a week after the Super Bowl. Sean Payton calls me on a Friday night. ... He said Mike Cerullo's fiancé was just in a terrible car accident down in Oklahoma. The truck overturned, a child was thrown from the car and was drowned in a pond. Sean has got emotion in his voice, he's upset.
"I said, 'Listen to me, Sean, this never happened.' He gets pissed off at me. (Payton says) 'How can you say such a thing? This is one of your ...' I said, 'It never happened. Just relax. Give me 20 minutes. In 20 minutes, you call Cerullo back, and we'll see if this happened or not.'
"I call Mike Cerullo immediately back on the phone. I said, 'Mike, this is Coach Vitt, I am so sorry what's happened, Mike.' (Cerullo said) 'Yeah, Coach, this is bad.'
"I said, 'Well listen, here's what I know we can do right now. I've talked to Mr. Benson. His airplane is fueled. We're ready to take off in 45 minutes. I'm going to pick you up, we're flying right to Norman, Oklahoma.
"(Cerullo says) 'No, no, wait coach. Wait, coach. No, no. W-w-w-w-wait. I've got to get more details.'
"I said, 'Mike, we just got the details that your fiancé was in a fatal car accident with her child dying and drowning and your fiancé is in critical condition. Let's get out there.' (Cerullo said) 'No, no, no, well, just wait.' (Vitt said) 'Well, Mike, does your fiancé have a sister?' (Cerullo said) 'Yeah, she's got a sister.' (Vitt said) 'Do you have her number?' (Cerullo said) 'Well, I've got to get if off Facebook.'
"This goes on and on for 10 minutes. I hang up. I said, 'Listen, Mike,' before I hung up, 'you'd better call Coach Payton, he's waiting for your phone call.' So 10 minutes later he called Coach Payton. (Vitt said Cerullo told Payton) 'Coach, I don't need the plane, let me get the details, maybe we'll get out in the morning.' Ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom, ba-da-bat, ba-da-boom. Sean calls back and he said, 'Well, you're right.' I said, 'Well this is the fourth. This is the fourth. He went to Haiti, he had to go babysit, he went to go get a ring and now this is the fourth. So when are we going to have an exit strategy with this young lad? When are we going to get him off the premises?'
"And when we got him off the premises, Sean felt it was necessary to have police protection at his house, because he was way to the owners' meeting, and the wife and kids are staying there.
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