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re: ESPN: Saints Could Trade Lattimore

Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:15 am to
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:15 am to
A year younger
Better coverage play from lattimore

And how are you going to say more attitude problem when Ramsey was the definition of that for years.

A late 1st to a desperate team is wishful thinking, but Ramsey's cost by most discussion was cheap (in part many believe due to the rams desperately trying to get below the cap).
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:01 am to
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What could we realistically get as far as draft capital?



Mid to late first and adders depending on how late in the first.

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CB becomes an immediate need the moment you trade Lattimore.


Not really. No one is going to replace Lattimore but Taylor and Adabo on the outside and Yaddam in the middle will be solid enough to hold down the defensive back field.

My biggest concern is how they replace Maye, Not that there's much to replace by way of his production or lack thereof but Howden is more of an off line safety and we need another box safety that can make RB's and TE pay for the checkdowns.
Posted by MountainDewGF
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:01 am to
Well trade lattimore to the eagles for a 7th rounder
Posted by JRtiger75
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:52 am to
best we can hope for is a 2nd. No way you get a first unless it is a late first and we package another pick or player of note.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:55 am to
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best we can hope for is a 2nd. No way you get a first unless it is a late first


he's a top 4-8 cb in the league bro.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:57 am to
I promise you the Lions would trade their first this year in 2 seconds if we could trade Lattimore right now
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:03 am to
Lattimore will be 28 and has played 17 games in the last 2 years combined
The Chiefs are reportedly looking to get a 2nd for Sneed.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:26 am to
Sneed isn’t as good as Lattimore. He’s more versatile but not as good as an outside CB. He’s 27 as well.

And Lattimore is checked out. He’s not been as injured as the amount of missed games indicate. Underhill has hinted at this for a while now. He’s still a top CB in the league.
Posted by S
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:34 am to
I don’t want to trade latt because im still scarred by the days of Fred Thomas and Jason David but it feels like the bridge is burned. Of course DA’s dorky arse is at fault there too. Just give us a good pick.
Posted by High Life
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:23 am to
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Lattimore has been better than Ramsey since at least 2021


Aside from the fact Lattimore has played 10 less games

Typical Saints board delusion: "we will get a 1st rounder for an aging cornerback who's barely played 50% of games in the past two seasons"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:34 am to
PFF has Ramsey safely ahead of Latt 2 of the past 3 years. Latt barely edged him this year (67.4 to 66.4)

Most importantly, the year before Ramey was traded he had a PFF score of 86.4. Latt has never had a PFF grade that high (career best was 86.1 his rookie year)

*ETA: in 2020 and 2021 (2 of Ramsey's best years) he played over 1k snaps. Latt has NEVER done this and only had 621 last year.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 10:36 am
Posted by High Life
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:53 am to
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*ETA: in 2020 and 2021 (2 of Ramsey's best years) he played over 1k snaps. Latt has NEVER done this and only had 621 last year.


The best ability is availability
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:59 am to
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Sneed isn’t as good as Lattimore. He’s more versatile but not as good as an outside CB. He’s 27 as well.


Sneed turned 27 in January Lattimore will be 28 in May. Sneed played at a pretty elite level this year and also played in every game vs half of them. Why would you give up a 1 for Lattimore if you can get Sneed for a 2?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:01 am to
one is under contract fairly reasonable for 3 more years.

the other is looking for a huge payday.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:02 am to
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At least a 1st & two additional picks would work.


No shot in hell imo. Maybe a very late first from a contender with a couple of throw away future picks. Or if we got another decent pick back we’d likely be sending a pick back ourselves.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:19 am to
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one is under contract fairly reasonable for 3 more years.


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the other is looking for a huge payday.


Lattimore’s avg salary is top 5 at the position ya think Sneed is looking for Mahomes $?
Posted by WhodatLSU95
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:25 am to
Knowing the saints, they will trade him for a 3rd and 6th round pick
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:41 am to
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I promise you the Lions would trade their first this year in 2 seconds if we could trade Lattimore right now




I think they would too. They're picking 29? I think they'd do that. Some looney-tune the other day had them trading us 29, then 3 other picks, including, I think their 2nd. That was laughable. It may take us throwing in one of our later picks as a sweetener--we do have 4 5th rounders--but I think that would get it done.

And yeah, it would be painful cap-wise to trade him before June 1st, but we'd be done with it in 1 year and he'd be totally off the books after '24. Slo always mentions how we've fricked up the cap and are eventually gonna have to pay the piper and eat shite. This would be 1 way to start that process. It doesn't have to all come due the same season where we totally just tank and barely field a legitimate NFL squad for a year or 2. Do it gradually.

Trade Latt this year while he still has value, and that value is higher for another team more ready to compete than us at moment. He's 28, has only played 1 full season of games in 2 seasons, and is apparently, if not a malcontent, not the best guy for the Saints' current locker room. The whispers are he is one of the few that still lacks a little respect of D.A and sees him more as a substitute teacher than HC. Which is fine. Or understandable. He would be more valuable for a team like the Lions, would probably be rejuvenated a bit and his pay would get better and he'd probably be on the field more. He could really help a team like the Lions if they're going all-in and make them more of a championship contender than they already are. Worth much more to them in '24 than whatever they'd get with pick 29.

And we need to start getting younger, anyway. We've got 2 really good outside corners in Adebo and Taylor. Taylor could develop into a really good slot corner, but he struggled this year there. He's better on the boundary and probably happier there too, so it would rejuvenate his career a bit, too. And we could grab a slot corner late in the draft or sign a cheap vet.

Again, I know eating all his dead money this year would be challenging. And it would probably hurt with free-agent signings, obviously. But the cap is up, and we've always figured out a way to not just get under, but get under and still find money for a few free agents. We just may be shopping more in the bargain bin than normal.

But I still think it's a good opportunity to maximize what we can get for him--I mean, what if pulls a hammy in training camp like he is prone to do, and just doesn't feel very motivated to come back and misses most of the season. Then he's a year older and his value is way worse. Trade him now, assuming we actually can get a late 1st (I'd be less inclined if it's an early 2nd unless we can use some late draft capital to get into the late 1st--that 5th year option is really important), just hold your nose and eat shite and all all his dead money this year, get rid of a "malcontent," which may be addition by subtraction, and begin the youth movement on defense.

It's not gonna get done in 1 year, it's going to be gradual. I know a lot of us hoped (or assumed) that we'd suck this year, bottom out, fire DA, and start the re-build with a high pick next year. But as much as we may want that, that's just not the way this organization is going to go about things. It's not who they are. And I get it--they want to keep their jobs. But the thing that makes me leery of the bottoming out and rebuilding with high picks is that once you hit the bottom, there's no guarantee you don't stay there. There's a reason the same teams pick towards the top of the draft seemingly every year. You literally can't miss.

Sorry, this post got out of hand--like mine are want to do--but it's more than just about Latt. One thing that gives me hope is how many good hires we made on offense. Not just their actual hiring, but the fact that they committed to this team and gambled their career by taking these jobs knowing DA is the HC, that we're committed to Carr for another couple of years, and what we've got on the OL. They must see a better future than a lot of us do. Or think that if DA gets fired, they all get promotions.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:57 am to
If you want to maximize what you'd get for him, then you trade him post 6/01 and hold him from OTAs. The team gets to keep their draft picks for this year, then you may be able to get more in the 2025 draft than you would in 2024.

We aren't 1 draft pick from winning the SB this year, so while it would be nice to get a 2024 1st rounder a 2025 1st rounder helps the team just as much since it also helps with the inevitable cap hits associated with the trade.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:18 pm to
The big issue with having to deal Latt early is 2025 is already a whopper of dead cap. If we have to deal with Ram, too, it's going to be insane.

Which means to deal with the dead cap we're going to have to extend some guys who should be gone. That can extend the cap hell further out.
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