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re: Cooks Selection Reviews
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:13 pm to blueslover
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:13 pm to blueslover
quote:
The risk: The pick isn't a terrible one and Cooks is a good player. But giving up a third-rounder to move up for him is a gamble, especially if you live by the notion that Drew Brees can make any receiver look good.
The reward: Even at his size, Cooks has the ability to become a No. 1 receiver whenever Marques Colston leaves. He's one of the more dynamic players in the draft and is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.
The grade: C+
This is what we call yapping out of both sides of ya mouth
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Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:14 pm to CocoLoco
quote:Everyone really thinks Bailey can't be a good #2? I agree we need a CB for the long term, but everyone is slipping if they think Bailey is done.
This is easily the most stacked Saints team I've seen, and are a good number 2 CB and C away from being dominant
I agree on center(with Goodwin as our ace in the hole), and change out corner with cover LB an we'd be more than set.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:17 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:They did that with every pick. That's why it's label risk and reward. They're saying this is why it could be bad and this is why it could be good.
This is what we call yapping out of both sides of ya mouth
Not that I agree with the risk part. The real risk would have been not trading up and being empty handed, which is exactly what would have happened.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:25 pm to bonethug0108
Yeah Bailey may have a little left in him to play well. He's got some studs around him, too. A lot more to work with than in Denver. Less pressure on him, white, and robinson with those others around them.
Center and coverage ILB to me are the biggest needs now. If there's value like Attaochu, you can never get enough pass rushers.
Center and coverage ILB to me are the biggest needs now. If there's value like Attaochu, you can never get enough pass rushers.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:33 pm to Brageous
I posted this in another thread:
For what it's worth I have our "needs" ranked as follows:
Center/Guard, sliding the "loser" at C over after we cut Grubbs possibly next year.
Coverage LB, which we have none of(not good anyway) and also allows us to cut Hawthorne next year if he's starter(full time or rotational) quality.
Corner, to start learning under Bailey for 2 years.
Pass Rusher(OLB or DE), because Galette and Jordan will be FAs in 2 years and that's an expensive position to resign. Galette can also become a "RFA" after this year if he hits 12 sacks.
Running back, because Ingram will be a FA and Thomas has passed the dreaded 30 mark, leaving us with only Robinson as our HB of the future. Payton always like to have at least 2 guys.
Nose tackle, to rotate with Jenkins after Bunkley's likely exit next year.
Another LB or WR, because a lot of guys at both positions are on 1 year deals, especially our LBs.
Run blocking tight end, because Jimmy can't and Watson is aging and only has a couple of years left.
S, OT, and P are set for at least another 3 years. No kickers worth looking at this year. Only take a QB if they think he can be great.
Center is highest and cover LB is close but not an actual need in the sense that we have starters(and none of the other spots are needs outside center). Next tier is CB and pass rusher. Then HB, DT, WR, LB, and run blocking TE are more long term needs.
For what it's worth I have our "needs" ranked as follows:
Center/Guard, sliding the "loser" at C over after we cut Grubbs possibly next year.
Coverage LB, which we have none of(not good anyway) and also allows us to cut Hawthorne next year if he's starter(full time or rotational) quality.
Corner, to start learning under Bailey for 2 years.
Pass Rusher(OLB or DE), because Galette and Jordan will be FAs in 2 years and that's an expensive position to resign. Galette can also become a "RFA" after this year if he hits 12 sacks.
Running back, because Ingram will be a FA and Thomas has passed the dreaded 30 mark, leaving us with only Robinson as our HB of the future. Payton always like to have at least 2 guys.
Nose tackle, to rotate with Jenkins after Bunkley's likely exit next year.
Another LB or WR, because a lot of guys at both positions are on 1 year deals, especially our LBs.
Run blocking tight end, because Jimmy can't and Watson is aging and only has a couple of years left.
S, OT, and P are set for at least another 3 years. No kickers worth looking at this year. Only take a QB if they think he can be great.
Center is highest and cover LB is close but not an actual need in the sense that we have starters(and none of the other spots are needs outside center). Next tier is CB and pass rusher. Then HB, DT, WR, LB, and run blocking TE are more long term needs.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:43 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Everyone really thinks Bailey can't be a good #2? I agree we need a CB for the long term, but everyone is slipping if they think Bailey is done.
I am sort of slipping into the en vogue trend of wanting to draft big Corners. We have seen that they can be very successful, and that compounded with the crop of receivers within the division makes me want to get one of those 6'2" or larger Corners to help combat the likes of Jackson, Evans, Jones, White, and Benjamin.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:49 pm to ATLienTiger
It's not all of a sudden en vogue and Loomis touched on this during his pre-draft presser.
Everyone is always looking for tall WRs and tall CBs. Problem is, and he said it himself, very few of them can actually play. The good ones are rare.
They have more starting corners under 6'0" then at or over 6'0". Very few over 6'2".
Drafting a tall one isn't the problem. Drafting a good tall one is. Nobody we get is going to come in and beat Bailey out this year. Hell I'm not sure anyone in the first would have beat him out.
Everyone is always looking for tall WRs and tall CBs. Problem is, and he said it himself, very few of them can actually play. The good ones are rare.
They have more starting corners under 6'0" then at or over 6'0". Very few over 6'2".
Drafting a tall one isn't the problem. Drafting a good tall one is. Nobody we get is going to come in and beat Bailey out this year. Hell I'm not sure anyone in the first would have beat him out.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:02 pm to SaintEB
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I say A+. Put my grade up there.
Hey, what's this crap. You can't just out a grade; you have to tell us some things we already know...like the other guys did.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:10 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Everyone really thinks Bailey can't be a good #2? I agree we need a CB for the long term, but everyone is slipping if they think Bailey is done.
The point of bringing in Bailey is that he is capable of being the #2 guy, but it's not guaranteed. I'm also not sold on White or Robinson. CB and Pass Rushers you can never have enough of. I'd feel really good about getting a potentially long term corner in the draft.
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I agree on center(with Goodwin as our ace in the hole), and change out corner with cover LB an we'd be more than set.
Agreed, and Goodwin would be a nice stop gap, and would compete with Lelito to start at Center. LB, especially in coverage, needs upgrade.
Outside of that, there are really no holes on this team. Stacked as frick.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:13 pm to GynoSandberg
[quote]
The risk: The pick isn't a terrible one and Cooks is a good player. But giving up a third-rounder to move up for him is a gamble, especially if you live by the notion that Drew Brees can make any receiver look good.
The reward: Even at his size, Cooks has the ability to become a No. 1 receiver whenever Marques Colston leaves. He's one of the more dynamic players in the draft and is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.
The grade: C+
[quote]
This is what we call yapping out of both sides of ya mouth
In my neck of the woods we call it talking out your arse
The risk: The pick isn't a terrible one and Cooks is a good player. But giving up a third-rounder to move up for him is a gamble, especially if you live by the notion that Drew Brees can make any receiver look good.
The reward: Even at his size, Cooks has the ability to become a No. 1 receiver whenever Marques Colston leaves. He's one of the more dynamic players in the draft and is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.
The grade: C+
[quote]
This is what we call yapping out of both sides of ya mouth
In my neck of the woods we call it talking out your arse
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:23 pm to Brageous
Bailey graded out as a top 10 CB in 2012 according to PFF... fwiw.
Hes got some left in him. Plus, an aged Bailey that may have lost a step is still a damn fine NFL CB. Hes arguably the 2nd best CB in modern history behind Primetime. I have no doubt he can still play at an above average level.
And, its not like hes our #1CB. If he was, yeah I would be worried. But hes not. He will be our #2 or even #3. Not really that worried about him.
But, I still want another CB in the 2nd. You can never have too many DBs in todays game. And, there are some CBs still available that could come in and play in certain situations, learn from Champ, and become a great CB down the road. Phillip Gaines, Desir, Baptiste, Roberson, Purifoy, and McGill fit that profile.
Hes got some left in him. Plus, an aged Bailey that may have lost a step is still a damn fine NFL CB. Hes arguably the 2nd best CB in modern history behind Primetime. I have no doubt he can still play at an above average level.
And, its not like hes our #1CB. If he was, yeah I would be worried. But hes not. He will be our #2 or even #3. Not really that worried about him.
But, I still want another CB in the 2nd. You can never have too many DBs in todays game. And, there are some CBs still available that could come in and play in certain situations, learn from Champ, and become a great CB down the road. Phillip Gaines, Desir, Baptiste, Roberson, Purifoy, and McGill fit that profile.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:29 pm to KG5989
quote:This exactly. We don't need one in the 2nd, but if the right one is there(and we don't have a traditional LB or C rated higher) we should take him.
You can never have too many DBs in todays game. And, there are some CBs still available that could come in and play in certain situations, learn from Champ, and become a great CB down the road.
None of them are going to be our #2 this year though so if people are looking for that they are mistaken.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:38 pm to bonethug0108
Yep.... I would love to get Phillip Gaines in the 2nd though. I think hes a top 3 CB in the draft and could end up being the best out of all the CBs in the draft. He is stud and a steal for any team in the 2nd, especially at 58.
And Martin is a great value and a position of need. No issues. Same with Desir.
The only LB that interests me in the 2nd is Van Noy and Attaochou(sp).
And Martin is a great value and a position of need. No issues. Same with Desir.
The only LB that interests me in the 2nd is Van Noy and Attaochou(sp).
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:44 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
This is easily the most stacked Saints team I've seen, and are a good number 2 CB and C away from being dominant
I agree with C, but at CB we are fine, we need to draft one for the future because Champ is likely done in a year or two, but what we really need is another pass rusher (DE or OLB) and a good pass coverage ILB and we will be fricking set
and I think after this year we will have to choose between Junior and Cam on who to sign long term. So who should we choose? I doubt we can sign one let alone both
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:50 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
He's Steve Smith with Harvin's playmaking ability with a touch of Jerry Rice
I hope he can beat an NFL jam. That's my only concern.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:50 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:Our whole Dline outside of Bunkley(Galette included in case you are one of those), Haralson, and Butler think you are mistaken about needing a pass rusher. Always nice to have another one but far from a need.
but what we really need is another pass rusher
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:52 pm to bonethug0108
Junior is a Linebacker
We need another because in a year we will probably lose Cam or Junior.
We need another because in a year we will probably lose Cam or Junior.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:54 pm to WicKed WayZ
He plays on the line significantly more than standing up.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:56 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:Cam is set next year. Galette is another matter because if he hits 12 sacks he is a RFA. We can match whatever offer, the question is what kind of offers will he get and should we.
and I think after this year we will have to choose between Junior and Cam on who to sign long term. So who should we choose? I doubt we can sign one let alone both
In 2016, we are going to have to make a choice of who to tag between Jordan, Hicks, and Galette if he doesn't hit 12 sacks. Of course we will pick Jordan and we can keep him easily. It's keeping both of the other two that will be tricky. I think Hicks is easier as inside guys usually get less per year.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:59 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:We aren't losing Cam in a year(already said in my other post) and Galette being a LB is a matter of semantics. He plays hand down way more than up and rushers the passers 90+% of the time. He may be labeled a LB but he plays DE.
Junior is a Linebacker
We need another because in a year we will probably lose Cam or Junior.
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