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re: Butler visiting Thurs; Hou wants Butler for a 2nd; Rap Yaps

Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:41 am to
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:41 am to
Patriots fan on Reddit is saying he will sign his tender then get moved for #32.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:41 am to
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It wouldn't even be next year, if I'm following him correctly. It would be 2019.

If I'm getting his point, the Pats COULD get a 3rd round compensatory pick if he signs his tender with the Pats, plays the season, and they lose him to FA in 2018.

In that scenario, assuming they don't make corresponding deals, the COULD get a 3rd Rd compensatory in 2019 (compensatories are based on the previous offseasons moves, not the current offseason)


So in 2019, Brady and Belichek could be walking off into the sunset.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116214 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:42 am to
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Patriots fan on Reddit is saying he will sign his tender then get moved for #32.


Oh ok.

I'm going to go post on Reddit and say he's getting moved for a 2021 7th round conditional pick.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:42 am to
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saying he will sign his tender then get moved for #32.


no matter how much we'll bitch, Butler will be a better asset for the next 3-4 years within our window than any other pick would be.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22778 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Patriots fan on Reddit is saying he will sign his tender then get moved for #32.


I don't give 32 if I'm Loomis/Payton. I hope not at least.
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14123 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:43 am to
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Patriots fan on Reddit is saying he will sign his tender then get moved for #32.


Uh oh. I really want him, but that's pushing it.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116214 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:43 am to
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I don't give 32 if I'm Loomis/Payton. I hope not at least.


They aren't. Again, I don't even think they give 42.

If they give up 32 I will absolutely lose my shite.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166457 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:44 am to
just some info on patriots remaining draft picks this year:
quote:


As of Monday, they owned seven picks
(listed by round-overall):
3-72, 3-96,
4-132,
5-163, 5-183,
6-200,
7-239.
That’s no first- or second-round picks, two third-round picks, one fourth-round pick, two fifth-round picks, one sixth-round pick, and one seventh-round pick.
Posted by Zach Lee To Amp Hill
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
4765 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:45 am to
guys on reddit say they enjoy fricking my little ponies too.

until Schefter or tzimme say this is happening, all the rest is just noise.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166457 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:45 am to
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If they give up 32 I will absolutely lose my shite.


give them 32, give us back a late 3rd...?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:46 am to
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Patriots have never had that mindset. They love trading down and gaining future draft picks.


That's a completely different argument.

A 3rd round comp pick in 2019 is absolutely not worth more than the 11th pick in the 3rd round of the 2017 draft.

They could, using your take, turn in the 2017 3rd round pick into more picks given it's higher value around the league
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116214 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:47 am to
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give them 32, give us back a late 3rd...?


No.

Personally I am not touching 11, 32, or 42 for Butler and giving him a huge deal. No thank you.

I posted recent NE Deals for players of at least somewhat similar value, that had time remaining on their contracts.

Butler has none. He's getting paid right now. His value is lower than Chandler Jones, for instance, IMO.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
166457 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:49 am to
He has value at 3.2 M first year
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112359 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:50 am to
I just don't see the Pats moving him for less than a 2nd. The value of him playing opposite Gilmore is greater than a 3rd round pick, even taking out the comp pick IMO.
Posted by BlacknGold
He Hate Me
Member since Mar 2009
12053 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:50 am to
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As of Monday, they owned seven picks


right but how many can they not use this year? is it just the 4th?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116214 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:51 am to
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is it just the 4th?


Just the 4th
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112359 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:51 am to
That list already took out the forfeited pick #118 I believe.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116214 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:52 am to
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I just don't see the Pats moving him for less than a 2nd. The value of him playing opposite Gilmore is greater than a 3rd round pick, even taking out the comp pick IMO.




Like I said:

Chandler Jones, 2nd round pick, still had his 5th year option left.

Jamie Collins, 3rd round pick, had a few months left on rookie deal.

Malcolm Butler is getting paid right now, big. That's negative value.
Posted by mm2316
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Aug 2010
6942 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:52 am to
I'm interested to see how Butler's deal compares to a potential deal for Breaux (RFA) next year. With him and Vaccaro nearing FA, we could have a pretty expensive secondary next year. Hopefully we have a pass rush to compliment, or that will be a lot of wasted money.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 11:53 am
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
28913 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:54 am to
Could see us parting with our highest 3rd this year and a 2018 2nd round pick
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