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Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:10 pm to Lester Earl
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im with you. Portland is in for a regress big time
IDK, The Blazers are kinda becoming the new offseason Mavs.
Pels fans every year were saying they were in for a steep decline and it never happened.
Because at the end of the day you have a top 5 coach and hall of fame player.
The Blazers will still have solid role players and two budding all stars along with a borderline top 5 coach. Barring injuries I don't see them finishing below the 6-7 seed.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:16 pm to NOLA Bronco
I think there are 4 locks for the WC playoffs next year. I expect the Mavs and Grizz to drop out unless they exceed expectations this offseason and the Blazers and Rockets could go either way, though I like their foundation a bit more than the other 2
But it will come down to chemistry and injuries. And those things hang by the loosest of strings. Predicting how those two things play out is nearly impossible. Just gotta give yourself enough talent to take advantage when they bite other teams. That's what we did two years ago, when we wouldn't have made the playoffs if not for OKC's injuries and it's what Portland took advantage of last year
But it will come down to chemistry and injuries. And those things hang by the loosest of strings. Predicting how those two things play out is nearly impossible. Just gotta give yourself enough talent to take advantage when they bite other teams. That's what we did two years ago, when we wouldn't have made the playoffs if not for OKC's injuries and it's what Portland took advantage of last year
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:26 pm to Crewz
I'll never count the Mavs/Grizzlies out until Carlisle is done and until Conley and Gasol are over the hill.
Despite getting in arguments since 2013 about this every offseason. The rumors of their deaths tend to always be greatly exaggerated by Pels fans in the honeymoon phase of the offseason when the stars feel in reach once again. Not saying you are doing that or anything but just speaking more generally there.
I think the Grizzlies finally do have a strong chance to slip since I think Conley is gone. The Mavs however? I can totally see them signing Dwight Howard and continuing to tread water and getting 42-46 wins again.
injuries and other variables like players bolting are always the * in projecting the following season but to me Stotts has proven it too many times that their chemistry is no fluke. He almost universally seems to bring guys in and they leave with higher value and better production then when they got there. I think he is the real deal.
Despite getting in arguments since 2013 about this every offseason. The rumors of their deaths tend to always be greatly exaggerated by Pels fans in the honeymoon phase of the offseason when the stars feel in reach once again. Not saying you are doing that or anything but just speaking more generally there.
I think the Grizzlies finally do have a strong chance to slip since I think Conley is gone. The Mavs however? I can totally see them signing Dwight Howard and continuing to tread water and getting 42-46 wins again.
injuries and other variables like players bolting are always the * in projecting the following season but to me Stotts has proven it too many times that their chemistry is no fluke. He almost universally seems to bring guys in and they leave with higher value and better production then when they got there. I think he is the real deal.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:28 pm to NOLA Bronco
Yeah, I am not counting anyone out or penciling anyone in. I am simply saying nobody outside of the top 4 is so good that they are a virtual lock. The opportunity is there for 7-8 teams to lock up one of those 4 spots
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:34 pm to Crewz
That I definitely agree with.
I think the West, barring injury or flight of talent like Durant and Conley, is poised to go back to being pretty strong.
Looking over the landscape I think Blazers, Wolves, Pelicans, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Kings, Jazz, and Rockets all can make the case they will have a playoff capable squad barring injury. On top of the usual suspects.
I think the West, barring injury or flight of talent like Durant and Conley, is poised to go back to being pretty strong.
Looking over the landscape I think Blazers, Wolves, Pelicans, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Kings, Jazz, and Rockets all can make the case they will have a playoff capable squad barring injury. On top of the usual suspects.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:38 pm to NOLA Bronco
If the Kings make the playoffs, the apocalypse has arrived
I see the contenders, in order if I were handicapping it today and with what I expect from the offseason, as
Rockets
Jazz
Blazers
Mavs
Pels
Grizz
Wolves
4 of those 7 will make it, again depending on their offseason, chemistry, and injury luck
I see the contenders, in order if I were handicapping it today and with what I expect from the offseason, as
Rockets
Jazz
Blazers
Mavs
Pels
Grizz
Wolves
4 of those 7 will make it, again depending on their offseason, chemistry, and injury luck
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:47 pm to NOLA Bronco
They aren't really like the Mavs at all. They have two undersided jump shooting guards that really isn't a recipe for long term success. They happened to stay healthier than every team kn the NBA last year. They are competitive but they aren't a threat to over throw the league
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:56 pm to Lester Earl
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They aren't really like the Mavs at all. They have two undersided jump shooting guards that really isn't a recipe for long term success. They happened to stay healthier than every team kn the NBA last year. They are competitive but they aren't a threat to over throw the league
Not in that the teams are the same but that fans of the Pelicans are beginning to consistently understate their likely performance for the upcoming season.
For years I would see endless posts saying the Mavs/Grizzlies are going to miss/barely make the playoffs. It never happened. I get the same vibe about Portland more recently. Thats all was saying. That when you step back and look at the team: borderline top 5 coach, 2 all stars, solid role players, solid cap space. The rumors of their decline seem greatly exaggerated.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:58 pm to Lester Earl
If I was forced to predict what will happen, I think Portland falls into the same trap Charlotte did a few years ago. Exceeded expectations, thought they were on the way up, then added talented guys to try and make the leap
But the reason Portland did well last year, in addition to luck, was because they had a bunch of guys just happy to be getting playing time. They would run through a wall and dos anything you asked. They swallowed pride and just played their roles
When you dish out money in the summer, guys no longer feel that way. More talent does not always mean more wins. In fact, it can sometimes work against you
But the reason Portland did well last year, in addition to luck, was because they had a bunch of guys just happy to be getting playing time. They would run through a wall and dos anything you asked. They swallowed pride and just played their roles
When you dish out money in the summer, guys no longer feel that way. More talent does not always mean more wins. In fact, it can sometimes work against you
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:01 pm to Crewz
quote:
If the Kings make the playoffs, the apocalypse has arrived
I see the contenders, in order if I were handicapping it today and with what I expect from the offseason, as
Rockets
Jazz
Blazers
Mavs
Pels
Grizz
Wolves
4 of those 7 will make it, again depending on their offseason, chemistry, and injury luck
I think Joeger is the best coach Cousins will have had personality wise since Malone. So I can see it clicking.
They have cap space and could nab a couple solid acquisitions. Like Ryno for instance.
I think they can make a case, not the best one, but I wouldn't take them out of the conversation is all I am saying. They would definitely be at my lowest probability slotting though.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:04 pm to NOLA Bronco
I would put Denver ahead of Sacto
When the core is rotten, it doesn't matter how good the coach or talent is. Sacto will not make the playoffs. I would give the Suns a better shot
When the core is rotten, it doesn't matter how good the coach or talent is. Sacto will not make the playoffs. I would give the Suns a better shot
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:07 pm to Crewz
quote:
If I was forced to predict what will happen, I think Portland falls into the same trap Charlotte did a few years ago. Exceeded expectations, thought they were on the way up, then added talented guys to try and make the leap
But the reason Portland did well last year, in addition to luck, was because they had a bunch of guys just happy to be getting playing time. They would run through a wall and dos anything you asked. They swallowed pride and just played their roles
When you dish out money in the summer, guys no longer feel that way. More talent does not always mean more wins. In fact, it can sometimes work against you
My thing is that I look at Stotts body of work and getting guys to buy in and scheming for the talent he has as well as he has done consistently over the years and he has yet to really have a bad season in totality. Outside his first one that is. In fact he also seems to always over perform expectations. Kinda like Carlisle continues to do.
Yeah he had that stretch of Batum in a slump but he still played well defensively.
I just think it gets to a point where its no longer luck and just needs to be accepted as ability. And I think Stotts is at that point in my mind. So thats why I hesitate to assume any sort of decline. In fact I am more prone to thinking they will be even better. Closer to the 3-4 seed then the 8 seed.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:12 pm to NOLA Bronco
Portland has a great coach and two guards that can fill buckets at a pretty elite level. Then they are surrounded by length and decent role players. M
That's a recipe for good regular season success. They'll probably make it barring Lillard injuries.
I'm super anxious about our Free Agency. I have no idea how we approach it.
That's a recipe for good regular season success. They'll probably make it barring Lillard injuries.
I'm super anxious about our Free Agency. I have no idea how we approach it.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:20 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Portland has a great coach and two guards that can fill buckets at a pretty elite level. Then they are surrounded by length and decent role players. M
That's a recipe for good regular season success. They'll probably make it barring Lillard injuries.
And for me thats been a sticking point in the back of my mind.
Well coached and well schemed a roster like that can consistently get 45 wins a season in my mind.
They aren't a contender but they are a team I would expect to be in the 4-6 range of the playoffs fairly consistently barring health.
quote:
I'm super anxious about our Free Agency. I have no idea how we approach it.
Me too. But the draft did alleviate a few of my fears. I really thought Demps would sell the pick again or make another cute decision but I think he knocked both out of the park.
I just don't want to re-sign Ryno or Gordon. We need to get more two way players on this team. Though if I were sticking to the OP, you probably do bite the bullet and bring back Ryno.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:27 pm to NOLA Bronco
I like Buddy and Diallo a lot. Wanted Buddy all along. Fills the shooting need.
But he is a old rookie so that fits the "win now" mold to a certain degree.
It tells me they are approaching FA much the same way they have.
But he is a old rookie so that fits the "win now" mold to a certain degree.
It tells me they are approaching FA much the same way they have.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:33 pm to Fun Bunch
I hate win-now it always fails
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:36 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
I like Buddy and Diallo a lot. Wanted Buddy all along. Fills the shooting need.
But he is a old rookie so that fits the "win now" mold to a certain degree.
It tells me they are approaching FA much the same way they have.
Diallo though is one of the more "Spurs" moves I have seen Demps do so far.
Sold Ish Smith high and is using it for a developmental prospect with much higher upside to bring along for a couple years.
Its the sort of long term thinking that keeps the Spurs with a steady flow of cheap role players that fit the system and can then be sold off at a high price to keep the cycle going or made into long term role players. Now Jeff Withey kinda shows that Demps isnt exactly patient so lets just hope 1.) Diallo pans out and 2.) Demps doesnt get impatient.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:42 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:That's why I think it was a Ferry move. Demps acts like young players are a waste of time.
Diallo though is one of the more "Spurs" moves I have seen Demps do so far.
Sold Ish Smith high and is using it for a developmental prospect with much higher upside to bring along for a couple years.
Its the sort of long term thinking that keeps the Spurs with a steady flow of cheap role players that fit the system and can then be sold off at a high price to keep the cycle going or made into long term role players. Now Jeff Withey kinda shows that Demps isnt exactly patient so lets just hope 1.) Diallo pans out and 2.) Demps doesnt get impatient.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 3:46 pm to Fun Bunch
Yup.
The team is getting a bit of a pass right now b/c 1) they didn't trade 6, 2) many people wanted Hield, and 3) they didn't sell the 2nds for cash. That should be recognized and enjoyed after the past few years, but I think the bar is fairly low in NO atm.
Real interesting to see what the plan is after Batum, Parsons, et al turn them down.
The team is getting a bit of a pass right now b/c 1) they didn't trade 6, 2) many people wanted Hield, and 3) they didn't sell the 2nds for cash. That should be recognized and enjoyed after the past few years, but I think the bar is fairly low in NO atm.
Real interesting to see what the plan is after Batum, Parsons, et al turn them down.
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