re: What are you guys actuall expecting from our rookie?

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I think that's (PHI) a little overboard but you'd definitely get #1 this year and the lakers pic plus a player (okafor likely) maybe two.

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Superstars do not get traded. Look at what Min got for Love. AD is 3x the player. PHI would most certainly offer those picks for a potential top 5 player locked up for 5 years on a 25% contract who fits with Embiid and/or Okafor. They could still trade Okafor and have tons of money in FA. You are underestimating the value of a superstar.

#1, 2017 pick, Noel, + more for Davis? This is a depressing topic. We should be talking about how we're gonna fill in the roster around him at this point. The more I look at the A/A deals and see them for potentially crippling us, the more it pisses me off. As if it's not shitty enough having no young talent, we are now $15m in dead weight for 3 more years.

Id consider it. I'm higher on Simmons than the majority of this LSU board is and the stars have aligned to potentially find a suitor that could give us ample return. If you can dump Asik in the process that's even more tantalizing.

I don't want Demps anywhere near a rebuild though.

50 mil or so in space?

#1, 2017, Noel, Saric for Davis/Asik?

Can you trade up with a PHI asset to ensure you get Dunn? #6 plus Saric for Dunn?

Dunn/Frazier
Jrue/Evans
Simmons/QPon
Anderson?
Noel/Ajinca

Plus fill in with 32-33m? Would Ryno agree to come back being a full time starter?

One of PHI/LAL would suck next year. You'd go into the 2017 draft with two top 10 picks?

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Are y'all legit talking even in hypotheticals about trading Davis already? This is going to be a long offseason

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To me, it's not about this offseason, it's maximizing a return while there's a team that has something to offer us. I don't know if a PHI trade tomorrow can be replicated down the road. You'd basically be taking advantage of Hinkies stockpile and the new directive to not suck.

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I would consider Simmons or Ingram, a lotto pick next year and okafor/saric or both a fair trade

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That haul would be disappointing on the Pels end. You can squeeze more for a 23 yo, top 10 player, who is under contract for the rest of the decade, than that. Love was expiring and was going to bolt from Minnesota when they traded him. Deron Williams got Favors, a lottery pick, and a late 1st. Deron Williams was also 3 years older, only had 1.5 years left on his deal and was never as good as Davis has been and still can be.

I'd like to see another 1st and maybe a couple of 2nds. I'll even throw Holiday in there, mostly for symmetry.

Again, you're right. It's not gonna happen. But if we're talking #teamblowup, you have to think about moving Davis

Because Loomising. Wasn't it you who said part of the reasoning in hiring Gentry was because the team would play an entertaining brand of basketball, implying winning wasn't the top priority with the hire.

to make it work they'd probably have to take asik at minimum
that right there has my full attention

both Boston and Philadelphia are in the very unique position of owning 24 carat draft picks and desirable players. You don't see that very often

somebody (Sacramento? Indiana?) with a superstar has got to be thinking about it

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Why couldn't you do both?

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You could do both. IMO, it's incredibly unwise and highly unlikely to work at this point, but anything is possible.

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Say you blow it up and win 30 games next year with Davis. Then, 40. Then 47, then 55

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I mean that could happen. But, again, it is highly improbable. A team with #6, 2017 first (which will most likely not be high enough to get them a foundational piece), Davis, and role players is going to follow that trajectory? Aren't we in a thread created, in part, to temper rookie expectations?

AND they have to bank on Davis being cool with them dumping all his teammates/friends (after they dumped his coach) to be bad for a couple of years in the hope that it pays off 3 years from now and he gets back to the playoffs.

What you're proposing is Thunder type trajectory. The Pels have their Durant, but if they want that type of improvement, they need their Jeff Green, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. Finding one or two guys like that is possible, if unlikely. That type of total talent influx is impossible given the Pels assets.

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the goal should be to be great in 2019 with a sustainable long term roster. 2016-17 be damned

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I agree 100%. But I don't think you can get there by dumping the roster around Davis. The return is not worth the risk.

Be patient and smart this summer. No more dumb contracts or selling off lottery picks. I do believe they can be back in the playoff picture w/ just decent Ryno/Gordon replacements (Courtney Lee/Marvin Williams?) and health from Davis/Holiday. That happens, they can get some "team on the rise" buzz again. There is a lot of time left to build a winner around Davis, but the time for doing it via high draft picks has passed.

And again, I don't think the team will ever do that. They won't use a stretch provision or amnesty on Asik any time in the next 2 years, but I am just saying that is what I would do if I won powerball and bought this team, along with a chain of Five Guys Burgers and Fries

Personally, I don't think a team with a pissed off AD and a contract motivated Jrue is gonna win 36 or fewer games next year - I don't care who the other 10 are

But yeah, getting high level FA will be hard. But if you got guys like the terrible Knicks did with Lopez and Afflalo plus really hit on your 16 and 17 picks, you could be really good by 19