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re: Welp, Reke WON'T be ready to start the season (per Gentry)...
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
Hence why stretching him was never really an option. If he is good to go, you can trade him. If not, you can get his salary covered and/or still trade him
This is a business first and foremost. A heathy Tyreke is a trade chip. An injured Tyreke is money in the owners pocket or a trade chip. Stretching him is not a trade chip AND it costs the owner money. Was never gonna happen
This is a business first and foremost. A heathy Tyreke is a trade chip. An injured Tyreke is money in the owners pocket or a trade chip. Stretching him is not a trade chip AND it costs the owner money. Was never gonna happen
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:49 am to Crewz
I don't even agree with stretching Asik unless we absolutely need the cap space and can't pay to dump him. Look at how tight this offseason was even with an escalated cap. We had to get lucky enough for Gee to opt out and still had to dump Babbitt and Douglas just to have enough cap space. That's only about $4 million in combined salary and it was absolutely essential to getting things done.
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Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:54 am to TigerinATL
Asik will not be stretched either until his 4th year, at earliest, where you could essentially stretch 15 mil over 5 years. But even that I doubt. And I don't think they would even use an amnesty, even if one was granted. Just not the way this ownership wants to do business
Fans think in terms of salary cap rules, but Benson gives Demps a hard cap outside of that. So, even if he got a guy off the books re: salary cap, he would still be paid by Benson and be on Demps hard cap, so it would be kinda pointless from Demps perspective to amnesty someone
Fans think in terms of salary cap rules, but Benson gives Demps a hard cap outside of that. So, even if he got a guy off the books re: salary cap, he would still be paid by Benson and be on Demps hard cap, so it would be kinda pointless from Demps perspective to amnesty someone
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:01 am to THRILLHO
In listening to Gentry during the summer league contest, it still frustrates the shite out of me that he still thinks AD should work more on his 3 point shooting and take more. He is ruining AD with that crap. As big as AD has become and with his skill set, he does not need to be spending his time at the 3 point line. That is dumb coaching.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:03 am to NOSHAU
So like I said he probably won't play till Dec instead of MM saying he won't play at all.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:08 am to 504ByrdGang
Neither of us know the future. Nobody does. What I do know is that the Pels are going into the season not counting on him one bit. He isn't even on their depth chart. If he returns to 100% in December (extremely unlikely), the Pels won't be thinking of him as a rotation piece for the rest of the season, but rather a guy who they can hope to move for something of value
Get over Tyreke or follow him to whatever team he goes to. He will never play a meaningful minute for this franchise again. Move on.
Get over Tyreke or follow him to whatever team he goes to. He will never play a meaningful minute for this franchise again. Move on.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:18 am to THRILLHO
Sounds like Tyreke won't play at all and if he does, it'd be a surprise.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:20 am to 504ByrdGang
Thinking a little more on the insurance angle, Larry Coon said you can span multiple seasons. Tyreke missed 57 games last season, not quite 40 with this specific injury to end the year. So you can put in the claim going back to last season even if Tyreke misses only the first 20 or so games this year. Add the misses from February last year until mid December this year and you have about $7.5 million in insurance claim to attach to a healthy Tyreke with about 50 games left.
Now you're not just trading Tyreke, you're trading enough money to have bought 2 1st round picks in years past. You don't just give that away unless he's causing problems. If you can't get a future 1st back for Tyreke, I'm not sure you trade him. I don't know what Demps is allowed to do with that $7.5 million, but it just doesn't seem like something you should give away.
Now you're not just trading Tyreke, you're trading enough money to have bought 2 1st round picks in years past. You don't just give that away unless he's causing problems. If you can't get a future 1st back for Tyreke, I'm not sure you trade him. I don't know what Demps is allowed to do with that $7.5 million, but it just doesn't seem like something you should give away.
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:23 am to TigerinATL
I knew you would be smart enough to put it all together!!
This board better never lose Tiger
This board better never lose Tiger
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:23 am to NOSHAU
He said he wants AD to develop more post moves and fine tune his post game. He mentioned he wanted AD's 3 pt % up to closer to 40% but I don't remember hearing that he wants him to take more.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:35 am to hendersonshands
Yeah, I took him saying AD's a better shooting David Robinson during the summer league game as a sign he sees him as a post player, not a perimeter player.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:50 am to TigerinATL
I'd be way surprised if this is a .500 team
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:51 am to TigerinATL
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Thinking a little more on the insurance angle, Larry Coon said you can span multiple seasons. Tyreke missed 57 games last season, not quite 40 with this specific injury to end the year. So you can put in the claim going back to last season even if Tyreke misses only the first 20 or so games this year. Add the misses from February last year until mid December this year and you have about $7.5 million in insurance claim to attach to a healthy Tyreke with about 50 games left.
Now you're not just trading Tyreke, you're trading enough money to have bought 2 1st round picks in years past. You don't just give that away unless he's causing problems. If you can't get a future 1st back for Tyreke, I'm not sure you trade him. I don't know what Demps is allowed to do with that $7.5 million, but it just doesn't seem like something you should give away.
Yes that's the reason and the money is for Benson's pocket huge reason why he wasn't traded.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:25 am to quail man
I put 6 because that would be absolute best case. I think they'll probably win 40-45
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:27 am to TigerinATL
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Not that I doubted him, but MM is right, if Tyreke is out for the season, possibly as little as just half the season, we have a $9 million check we can trade to a team.
If I am reading that correctly, less than half the season. Insurance will kick in after has missed 41 consecutive games. After 41 games missed, insurance starts paying 80% of his salary per game.
How many games did Reke miss to end last season?
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:30 am to NOFOX
If he is still hurt, move him to a team needing to get to salary floor at deadline then you don't pay the 20% the whole season. No reason a team would take him before then unless they thought he could play.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:34 am to NOFOX
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How many games did Reke miss to end last season?
He missed 38 games, so once he misses the first 3 this year you can put in a claim. Even if he's ready to start the season it benefits him and the team to miss the first 3 games because even that lets Demps attach a $4 million check to him in trade. I forgot to factor in the 80% before, but if he misses 20 games this year that's almost $6 million to send with him in a trade. That's pretty significant, if he gets healthy and we don't trade him it's about the money. :BensonLoomisMakeItRainGif:
Posted on 7/16/16 at 12:38 pm to TigerinATL
My interpretation was once he hits 41 games missed for a single injury then the insurance co pays 80% of his remaining guaranteed salary as long as he remains out. So once he hits 41 games, they start paying 80% per game. Not sure when the payout is, but do they back pay for the 41 games?
I don't think we would send money anywhere with him. A team needing to reach the floor would take him because they could hit the floor and only pay 20% of the salary for the post trade deadline games...saving them money right?
I don't think we would send money anywhere with him. A team needing to reach the floor would take him because they could hit the floor and only pay 20% of the salary for the post trade deadline games...saving them money right?
Posted on 7/16/16 at 12:55 pm to NOFOX
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I don't think we would send money anywhere with him.
It's probably flexible on whether the payout stays or goes, but the specific example Larry Coon cited said the claim transferred with the contract.
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My interpretation was once he hits 41 games missed for a single injury then the insurance co pays 80% of his remaining guaranteed salary as long as he remains out.
I see how you could read it that way, and maybe that's right. But that's a pretty bad insurance policy if it only pays for a small fraction of your losses. A player misses 60% of the season and I'm only compensated for 10% of that loss?
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If an insured player is disabled, there is a 41 game waiting period, after which the insurance company pays 80% of the guaranteed portion of the player's remaining base salary, up to $175,000 per regular season game. The waiting period can span seasons, and the player even can attempt to come back -- if he does and finds that he is unable to play, the 41-game count resumes (as long as he stopped playing due to the same injury).
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 12:57 pm
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