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re: Time to trade Jrue?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 3:57 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 1/22/17 at 3:57 pm to GynoSandberg
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What is the Bulls motivation for giving up assets other than Rondo for Jrue?
A playoff run.
With improved shooting, they can move up to the 4/5 seed and make a two round run and add millions of profit.
Also, an asset is a small investment to try out Jrue for a few months to see if he and Jimmy make a good fit. They'll have cap space next year.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:15 pm to Gtothemoney
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So then we'd hafta rely on AD scoring 50+ a night.
The drop off between jrue and Rubio isn't something like Westbrook to Anthony morrow. You guys overrate jrue and his offense. He is very inconsistent and makes questionable decisions. The best role is a bench guy and tyreke is the better option for cost and production in that role.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:26 pm to htran90
After reading this board regularly for a week, it has become clear to me that there are at least 3-4 and perhaps as many as a half-dozen posters on this board who could do a better job of running the Pelicans franchise (at least the player personnel side) than the current front office.
I'm not joking either. I sincerely believe that to be true.
I'm not joking either. I sincerely believe that to be true.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:34 pm to irvchilichill1
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4.Sixers- Robert Covington/Nerlens Noel or 1st round pick. Covington is the target and I believe is starting to show flashes of being a consistent 3rd option. Fills SF need and formulating a package to get Sixes 1st rounder or Noel is added bonus. Philly acts like they want Jrue back and numerous possibilities to gain assets...
Philly is on a nice little streak. Only way I can see them trading for Jrue is they are committed to him long-term (sounds like they are) and want to get a few months head start on meshing Embiid, Simmons and Jrue.
Rumors were they offered a package that included a 1st for Schroder at last year's deadline. He was an RFA and they wanted to max him. So there is precedent here.
They have two first this year that would be great gets, assuming Lakers isn't in top 3.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:39 pm to irvchilichill1
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Again, the trade has to make sense for both teams and we HAVE to get something Proven in the deal besides picks.
Why?
If we don't trade him and don't resign him (which is likely if he stays provided we don't grossly overpay), then we get nothing in return.
At least with picks we get something. We don't necessarily have to use them in the draft. They can factor in as assets in future trades.
The fact is that we're 11 games under 0.500, just gave up 142 points in a home loss to the worst team in the league, probably won't make the playoffs and resigning Jrue may cost enough that barring something unforseen would prevent us from paying the type of players we need to become a competitive franchise.
What I absolutely don't want to see happen is for Jrue to follow in EG and Ryan Anderson's path and leave via free agency when we could have traded one or both and gotten SOMETHING in return, even if only a late first or second round pick.
On a semi-related note, I would much prefer to pay Tyreke to be the point going forward. I just think he's better than Jrue offensively and adds a dimension Jrue just doesn't have. I think Jrue's defense relative to Tyreke has been somewhat overrated in terms of the perceived difference.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:43 pm to Number 31
No there isn't because they would all have to work for Benson and he is the overarching problem
You give Dell a 5 year guaranteed deal today and tell him to reset for the future and he will do a solid job. Again, he has stunk under this current mandate, but you give him a fresh start with the green light to rebuild, and he would do a lot of the things we are all advocating for
Now, replace Benson with a couple of members from this board, then yeah, they would be some hope
You give Dell a 5 year guaranteed deal today and tell him to reset for the future and he will do a solid job. Again, he has stunk under this current mandate, but you give him a fresh start with the green light to rebuild, and he would do a lot of the things we are all advocating for
Now, replace Benson with a couple of members from this board, then yeah, they would be some hope
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:48 pm to htran90
Rubio has a career fg% of under 38%. Barely over 30% from 3.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:54 pm to Crewz
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No there isn't because they would all have to work for Benson and he is the overarching problem
Simple solution, slip a Xanax in his coffee every morning and lie to him about what's being done.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:55 pm to Crewz
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You give Dell a 5 year guaranteed deal today and tell him to reset for the future and he will do a solid job. Again, he has stunk under this current mandate, but you give him a fresh start with the green light to rebuild, and he would do a lot of the things we are all advocating for
You are blinded by your personal connection to Dell's office and the information that affords you. Other GMs could succeed under this owner. Dell could have succeeded under this owner, he just made and continues to make stupid decisions.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:56 pm to Number 31
I would be all for that. I would also advocate slipping him some PCP and convincing him that his gummy bears are asking to him, telling him what needs to be done. Then, Danny Ferry dresses up in a large bear suits and sings a song about how rebuilding is the only way
I mean, the NBA is a multi billion dollar business. You gotta think outside of the box sometimes
I mean, the NBA is a multi billion dollar business. You gotta think outside of the box sometimes
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:59 pm to NOFOX
You, like many others don't listen.
Again, find me the writer who has done more hit pieces on Dell. You won't. Google the article I wrote on why he should be fired. It is more masterfully written and accurate than any other.
But the fact of the matter is that the mandate is wrong. Could someone else have done better? Definitely. But it would have just crashed and burned a different way.
Dell stunk. But the mandate is wrong. Is that too hard to understand or do you still think it has to be one or the other?
Please read and comprehend before you comment. Thank you
Again, find me the writer who has done more hit pieces on Dell. You won't. Google the article I wrote on why he should be fired. It is more masterfully written and accurate than any other.
But the fact of the matter is that the mandate is wrong. Could someone else have done better? Definitely. But it would have just crashed and burned a different way.
Dell stunk. But the mandate is wrong. Is that too hard to understand or do you still think it has to be one or the other?
Please read and comprehend before you comment. Thank you
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:02 pm to Crewz
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You, like many others don't listen. Again, find me the writer who has done more hit pieces on Dell. You won't. Google the article I wrote on why he should be fired. It is more masterfully written and accurate than any other. But the fact of the matter is that the mandate is wrong. Could someone else have done better? Definitely. But it would have just crashed and burned a different way. Dell stunk. But the mandate is wrong. Is that too hard to understand or do you still think it has to be one or the other? Please read and comprehend before you comment. Thank you
You operate under the impression that any other GM would have to operate under the same nebulous "mandate". You punt on this all the time. Please explain the mandate in detail. What exactly has this mandate prevented Dell from doing? Are you certain a stronger GM couldn't convince the ownership proxies to operate in a different manner or sell his plan for building the franchise?
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:07 pm to Crewz
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Google the article I wrote on why he should be fired.
Why don't you just link it? If I Google "Dell Demps should be fired", how will I know which article is yours?
Sorry man, I'm relatively new to this board. I don't know who you are, who you write for or what your connection is with the franchise.
Please just link the damn article. I'm actually curious now.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:13 pm to NOFOX
The OP is living in some fantasy world of he thinks we are getting a young talent and a first round pick for an expiring injury riddled PG that needs someone else to run the offense B/c he's more of a SG.
I would be ecstatic if we got a mid teen or later first round pick for him. That's Chicago. Rondo is an expiring as well. They aren't giving us Valentine as well in that, unless they are stupid.
The best thing we can do is trade both Jrue and Reke, AD rests a lot, and we get another top 6 pick and hope to find a decent SF FA that actually can play on offense.
Jrue is not netting us anything close to what the OP thinks he's worth.
I would be ecstatic if we got a mid teen or later first round pick for him. That's Chicago. Rondo is an expiring as well. They aren't giving us Valentine as well in that, unless they are stupid.
The best thing we can do is trade both Jrue and Reke, AD rests a lot, and we get another top 6 pick and hope to find a decent SF FA that actually can play on offense.
Jrue is not netting us anything close to what the OP thinks he's worth.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:36 pm to Crewz
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You give Dell a 5 year guaranteed deal today and tell him to reset for the future and he will do a solid job.
Look no farther than basketball reasons. The dude was trying to make short-sighted moves even when the acting owner was clearly fundamentally opposed to short-sighted moves. The basketball reasons trade, pre-Benson, is exactly the kind of shite he has been doing since Benson. So, your magical mandate isn't making him short-sighted. It's just excusing it poorly.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 6:34 pm to Jester
Dell is severely flawed. Severely. And others could have done better given the same mandates by Benson. But that is not mutually exclusive from the theory that Benson is the #1 problem with this franchise. It all comes from the top down. Yes, Dell executed the Jrue trade that night, but what you guys don't know - that everybody in the know does know - is the mandate he was given less than a week before.
Now, if it was completely up to Dell, maybe he still prefers Jrue over the slow build. Maybe. But if a more patient owner was there and mandated a slower, more sustainable build, Dell would have followed his orders.
In my ideal world, they are ALL gone. But if I was told I could only get rid of one, it would be Benson. From what I know from multiple parties (not just Dell's POV), it is an absolute no brainer.
Now, if it was completely up to Dell, maybe he still prefers Jrue over the slow build. Maybe. But if a more patient owner was there and mandated a slower, more sustainable build, Dell would have followed his orders.
In my ideal world, they are ALL gone. But if I was told I could only get rid of one, it would be Benson. From what I know from multiple parties (not just Dell's POV), it is an absolute no brainer.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:21 pm to Crewz
Do you think the team is sold once he kicks the bucket?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:25 pm to Aussie_Pelican
I don't. In fact, I am a little more afraid of what happens once he dies because it is such an unknown.
My dream is that Brees becomes a minority owner with some other young, upstart owners. They take a long view and Brees bonds with AD. They eventually get a transcendent guard and the team is fun to watch.
I ain't holding my breath though
My dream is that Brees becomes a minority owner with some other young, upstart owners. They take a long view and Brees bonds with AD. They eventually get a transcendent guard and the team is fun to watch.
I ain't holding my breath though
Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:45 pm to Crewz
I guess what I wanted to know is if his wife/kids do take over the ownership, will they take a different approach such as building through the draft instead of trying to speed up the process.
I would hope so.
I would hope so.
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