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Time to trade Jrue?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:11 pm
Watching Jrue lately, I realize that this team has capped out if he is our 2nd option or whatnot. We cannot take the next step or compete seriously because he has peaked as far as ability. I say trade Jrue before deadline. A trade consisting of a young potential to be realized PG/SF/C (preferably at least 2 years under contract left), a 1st round pick and 2nd round/serviceable bench player is what should be netted and if we include another quality player in the deal=more...
We don't need another reset but we have to do something. I'm a serial optimist but the team as constructed, will be nothing more than middle of pack, even if we progress slightly. Paying Jrue 20 mil, to be our 2nd option is not the answer. He has had his opportunity to claim the role, injuries, circumstances and actual ability has shown that Jrue is a role player, not a consistent star player. He was a fringe All Star and it appears he might not even be that anymore. Time to cut bait.
Trading Jrue now, doesn't mean we have given up on the playoffs this year, to the contrary, we have to trade him to get there. Some team will take a chance thinking he is their answer at the point or another piece to their future and willing to trade assets for such.
Dell needs to target a player that can at least be a consistent 3rd option and if he is still around, utilize his 2 first round picks to find the 2nd option to Davis. This is a deep draft and there will be several All Stars/Hall of Fame players to come out of it.
Now yall are probably asking yourself who is the target to get now and can he help us now still reach the playoffs. The following trade proposals are realistic and take into consideration the other team's reason why they would trade for Jrue.
In no particular order...
1. Milwaukee- Malcolm Brogdon/1st round pick/Monroe. Was happy with drafting Diallo but knew that Brogdon was grossly underrated in the draft. Starter level point guard, fits the young vet mold Dell covets (24 yes. old). Doesn't have tremendous potential but I already feel is comparable to Jrue sans defense. Plus I feel Kidd would believe Jrue's supposed defensive prowess fits his team and may include more in a trade, i.e. Monroe, Thon Maker, etc...
2. Utah- Rodney Hood/1st round pick/George Hill,Dante Exum,etc. Always liked his game (Duke fan since '88) and satisfies our SF need. Plus we possibly get a serviceable point guard to compete, with the understanding we draft our PG of the future or get Exum, who I feel will be significantly better next year with more time having recovered from his injury.
3. SPURS- Deojuntae Murray/Jonathan Simmons/1st round pick. Two players that are only getting better and I feel Murray will be a starter but may need to leave SA to realize the same. Pop takes chance on Jrue being his PG to supplant Tony but can utilize Jrue's combo skills now.
4.Sixers- Robert Covington/Nerlens Noel or 1st round pick. Covington is the target and I believe is starting to show flashes of being a consistent 3rd option. Fills SF need and formulating a package to get Sixes 1st rounder or Noel is added bonus. Philly acts like they want Jrue back and numerous possibilities to gain assets...
5. Orlando- Nikola Vucevic/1st round pick or Elfrid Payton,. Vucevic is a starting Center who meshes well with Davis. Not a great Defender but offensive skills are All Star level. Netting Payton or preferably their 1st rounder and/or another combination will allow for more assets to be attained.
6. Minnesota- Kris Dunn and 1st round pick. Favorite player in last year's draft. PG of future and 1st rounder helps to find SF/C of future. Thibs does it because of Jrue's defensive prowess and need for a vet to accelerate team's growth. Good trade for both teams if Jrue commits to resigning. Wolves have the money to pay Jrue and still be in great financial shape.
7. Nuggets- Jusuf Nurkic/Wilson Chandler and/or 1st round pick. Nurkic is already on trade block so not hard to get him and allows Davis to move back to PF. Chandler fills SF need and can be a championship 6th man. Squeezing their 1st round pick would be icing on the cake but may need to include Diallo. Denver does it to allow Mudiay to move to SG. Don't believe he is a true point and allows Murray to be their 6th man which I feel is best suited for him due to defensive issues which may never come around. Solid trade for both teams if Denver sees Jrue as answer.
8. Nets Brook Lopez- Straight up trade. Allows Davis to move back to PF and Lopez is an All Star Center. Brooklyn does it because I think Lopez bolts as soon as he can. Only happens if Jrue agrees to resign but Nets can pay him his asking price. Good trade for both teams. Would also try to swap 1st round picks with Brooklyn protecting theirs (Top 5).
9. Charlotte- Michael Kidd Gilchrist/1st round pick and/or 2nd round pick or include another team in trade to get a quality bench player. Gilchrist fills SF need. Not an All Star player but solid defender. Netting their 1st round pick allows to potentially draft PG/C/best player for 2nd option in the future. Charlotte does it to allow Jrue and Kemba to wreak havoc in the backcourt and adds another ball handler to give Kemba a break at times and play SG against smaller teams. Decent trade for Pels but like others listed above a bit more. Include Kaminsky and it gets a little better.
10. Boston- A number of trade combinations, focusing on one of their SF'S (Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown) and including one of Boston's 1st round picks, and another asset or adding another team to get another quality player would be a quality trade that can set the Pels up for gaining assets to draft/trade for 2nd option when available. Hit or miss outcome of this potential trade is what would have me a little cautious here. Not sure I would trust Dell to outsmart Ainge in this scenario.
I believe the best trade scenarios, above-mentioned, are Milwaukee, Orlando and Utah. The trades included,allow for us to still compete for the playoffs this year, while considering the future, and allow for a star 2nd option to potentially be drafted this summer in a deep class. Best of both worlds is the thinking Dell must have when considering any deadline deals and I think Jrue is the key to facilitating that logic. Also, I feel resigning Reke should be the focus despite many who feel he shouldn't be. Unless Reke dealt at deadline in a quality trade, would hate to lose him for nothing like Gordon and Anderson.
Thoughts???? Any other realistic trade proposals with the prior mentioned goals in mind?
We don't need another reset but we have to do something. I'm a serial optimist but the team as constructed, will be nothing more than middle of pack, even if we progress slightly. Paying Jrue 20 mil, to be our 2nd option is not the answer. He has had his opportunity to claim the role, injuries, circumstances and actual ability has shown that Jrue is a role player, not a consistent star player. He was a fringe All Star and it appears he might not even be that anymore. Time to cut bait.
Trading Jrue now, doesn't mean we have given up on the playoffs this year, to the contrary, we have to trade him to get there. Some team will take a chance thinking he is their answer at the point or another piece to their future and willing to trade assets for such.
Dell needs to target a player that can at least be a consistent 3rd option and if he is still around, utilize his 2 first round picks to find the 2nd option to Davis. This is a deep draft and there will be several All Stars/Hall of Fame players to come out of it.
Now yall are probably asking yourself who is the target to get now and can he help us now still reach the playoffs. The following trade proposals are realistic and take into consideration the other team's reason why they would trade for Jrue.
In no particular order...
1. Milwaukee- Malcolm Brogdon/1st round pick/Monroe. Was happy with drafting Diallo but knew that Brogdon was grossly underrated in the draft. Starter level point guard, fits the young vet mold Dell covets (24 yes. old). Doesn't have tremendous potential but I already feel is comparable to Jrue sans defense. Plus I feel Kidd would believe Jrue's supposed defensive prowess fits his team and may include more in a trade, i.e. Monroe, Thon Maker, etc...
2. Utah- Rodney Hood/1st round pick/George Hill,Dante Exum,etc. Always liked his game (Duke fan since '88) and satisfies our SF need. Plus we possibly get a serviceable point guard to compete, with the understanding we draft our PG of the future or get Exum, who I feel will be significantly better next year with more time having recovered from his injury.
3. SPURS- Deojuntae Murray/Jonathan Simmons/1st round pick. Two players that are only getting better and I feel Murray will be a starter but may need to leave SA to realize the same. Pop takes chance on Jrue being his PG to supplant Tony but can utilize Jrue's combo skills now.
4.Sixers- Robert Covington/Nerlens Noel or 1st round pick. Covington is the target and I believe is starting to show flashes of being a consistent 3rd option. Fills SF need and formulating a package to get Sixes 1st rounder or Noel is added bonus. Philly acts like they want Jrue back and numerous possibilities to gain assets...
5. Orlando- Nikola Vucevic/1st round pick or Elfrid Payton,. Vucevic is a starting Center who meshes well with Davis. Not a great Defender but offensive skills are All Star level. Netting Payton or preferably their 1st rounder and/or another combination will allow for more assets to be attained.
6. Minnesota- Kris Dunn and 1st round pick. Favorite player in last year's draft. PG of future and 1st rounder helps to find SF/C of future. Thibs does it because of Jrue's defensive prowess and need for a vet to accelerate team's growth. Good trade for both teams if Jrue commits to resigning. Wolves have the money to pay Jrue and still be in great financial shape.
7. Nuggets- Jusuf Nurkic/Wilson Chandler and/or 1st round pick. Nurkic is already on trade block so not hard to get him and allows Davis to move back to PF. Chandler fills SF need and can be a championship 6th man. Squeezing their 1st round pick would be icing on the cake but may need to include Diallo. Denver does it to allow Mudiay to move to SG. Don't believe he is a true point and allows Murray to be their 6th man which I feel is best suited for him due to defensive issues which may never come around. Solid trade for both teams if Denver sees Jrue as answer.
8. Nets Brook Lopez- Straight up trade. Allows Davis to move back to PF and Lopez is an All Star Center. Brooklyn does it because I think Lopez bolts as soon as he can. Only happens if Jrue agrees to resign but Nets can pay him his asking price. Good trade for both teams. Would also try to swap 1st round picks with Brooklyn protecting theirs (Top 5).
9. Charlotte- Michael Kidd Gilchrist/1st round pick and/or 2nd round pick or include another team in trade to get a quality bench player. Gilchrist fills SF need. Not an All Star player but solid defender. Netting their 1st round pick allows to potentially draft PG/C/best player for 2nd option in the future. Charlotte does it to allow Jrue and Kemba to wreak havoc in the backcourt and adds another ball handler to give Kemba a break at times and play SG against smaller teams. Decent trade for Pels but like others listed above a bit more. Include Kaminsky and it gets a little better.
10. Boston- A number of trade combinations, focusing on one of their SF'S (Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown) and including one of Boston's 1st round picks, and another asset or adding another team to get another quality player would be a quality trade that can set the Pels up for gaining assets to draft/trade for 2nd option when available. Hit or miss outcome of this potential trade is what would have me a little cautious here. Not sure I would trust Dell to outsmart Ainge in this scenario.
I believe the best trade scenarios, above-mentioned, are Milwaukee, Orlando and Utah. The trades included,allow for us to still compete for the playoffs this year, while considering the future, and allow for a star 2nd option to potentially be drafted this summer in a deep class. Best of both worlds is the thinking Dell must have when considering any deadline deals and I think Jrue is the key to facilitating that logic. Also, I feel resigning Reke should be the focus despite many who feel he shouldn't be. Unless Reke dealt at deadline in a quality trade, would hate to lose him for nothing like Gordon and Anderson.
Thoughts???? Any other realistic trade proposals with the prior mentioned goals in mind?
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 1:20 pm
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:19 pm to irvchilichill1
These trades are absurd.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:22 pm to dj30
How so and what trade you propose? Saying the trades are absurd without reasoning why and offering serious alternatives is why our government is broken now. I'm sure your Republican but let's see your basketball acumen and GM skills.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:24 pm to irvchilichill1
I'm all for trading Jrue if we can get anything positive in return. Anything positive is better than getting nothing for him in free agency.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:28 pm to dj30
The only one thats absurd is the Minnesota one. They are not trading essentially 2 picks for Jrue. Only we do stuff like that.
Everything else is pretty reasonable.
Everything else is pretty reasonable.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:37 pm to Sauce Castieaux
Sauce... Due to Minnesota underachieving this year, you can subtract one year from Thibs being fired eventually if he does not fix things pretty quickly. Trading for Jrue and his veteran leadership while trading Rubio to get another 1st rounder in this year's draft allows Thibs to progress his team. As of now, Jrue is better than Dunn and it's not debatable. Thibs still has his defensive point guard in Jrue and can still find another Dunn or whoever by trading Rubio and getting another 1st round pick in this year's draft. Minnesota has its core (Wiggins,Towns, Lavine, Jrue). They need veteran leadership, 3 point shooting and quality bench players to take another step...
Plus they are in good financial shape to pay Jrue and still pay their core when it's time to negotiate 2nd contracts...
Plus they are in good financial shape to pay Jrue and still pay their core when it's time to negotiate 2nd contracts...
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:47 pm to irvchilichill1
It sounds kind of reasonable the way you put it. I just find it hard to see them give up on Dunn so soon. Also, you have to take into account that trading for Jrue is still somewhat of a risk with his injury history.
Granted i've not watched many Wolves games but is he Austin Rivers bad?
Granted i've not watched many Wolves games but is he Austin Rivers bad?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:50 pm to irvchilichill1
I would say the Utah one is beyond insane. George Hill alone is better than Jrue and Hood is WAAAAAAAY more valuable by himself. You put both guys on the trade market and the offers for Hood are far better.
The Spurs one makes the most sense for everyone if Parker accepts a more limited role and Mills is sent to a 3rd team for something SA can use.
Sixers one doesn't move the needle for us if it's their players. Covington and Noel are "just guys" on a good team. We have 10 C+ players already. Minny never does the trade, and Milwaukee likely wouldn't either. Boston is overloaded at guard as it is.
The team you should have put on here is Chicago. They can give back Rondo's contract and have 5-6 intriguing assets/young players
But the bottom line is this: If the Pels don't get a game-changing wing or guard, they will always be mediocre or worse. You need that kind of guy in today's NBA. You aren't getting one of those guys for Jrue and you probably aren't getting a pick from another team good enough to draft that kind of guy. What you want the most out of a Jrue trade is to be bad enough after you trade him to get one of those guys with your own pick.
The Spurs one makes the most sense for everyone if Parker accepts a more limited role and Mills is sent to a 3rd team for something SA can use.
Sixers one doesn't move the needle for us if it's their players. Covington and Noel are "just guys" on a good team. We have 10 C+ players already. Minny never does the trade, and Milwaukee likely wouldn't either. Boston is overloaded at guard as it is.
The team you should have put on here is Chicago. They can give back Rondo's contract and have 5-6 intriguing assets/young players
But the bottom line is this: If the Pels don't get a game-changing wing or guard, they will always be mediocre or worse. You need that kind of guy in today's NBA. You aren't getting one of those guys for Jrue and you probably aren't getting a pick from another team good enough to draft that kind of guy. What you want the most out of a Jrue trade is to be bad enough after you trade him to get one of those guys with your own pick.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:52 pm to Crewz
The only two I could see are the San Antonio and Orlando ones...of those two would want the SA trade...but that would be a forward looking move by the franchise that isn't very good at forward looking.
It would create cap space in the summer to acquire another wing or frontcourt player to pair with AD.
It'll never happen.
It would create cap space in the summer to acquire another wing or frontcourt player to pair with AD.
It'll never happen.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:56 pm to Crewz
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They can give back Rondo's contract and have 5-6 intriguing assets/young players
Don't want Rondo anywhere near this team. We already have enough problems. Unless we have plans on flipping him which I doubt we could do.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:00 pm to irvchilichill1
Spurs aren't trading Murray
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:08 pm to Sauce Castieaux
I was thinking about Rubio/Shabazz for Holiday/filler (to match salary).
Or Rubio/Shabazz/Aldrich for Holiday/Asik/Dante.
Make some sense for all. IMO.
Aldrich has some years left.
Or Rubio/Shabazz/Aldrich for Holiday/Asik/Dante.
Make some sense for all. IMO.
Aldrich has some years left.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:10 pm to Crewz
Rondo?? I didn't consider Chicago because basically your main target is a player no one would want to resign let alone be a possible distraction to the team if he doesn't perform. Yeah u might get picks (1st round and whatever else) but this trade nets nothing that is guaranteed or ensures future success. Receiving 1st round picks doesn't ensure success.
You have to trade for a player that is a known young commodity in addition to a 1st round pick. Like I said, these trades are considering a player who is proven or WILL fit in the future nucleus of the team AND gaining assets (1st round pick/quality role player).
Basically your saying trade Jrue to start the reset over again in a Chicago trade unless you do a multi team trade to get your proven commodity as well. U only consider Chicago and a Rondo if they are taking back Asik and/or Ajinca or Hill.
A Chicago trade ensures no playoffs this year and tons of questions moving forward as well. Dell wouldn't be here to find out and he doesn't even consider it. Have to remember, Dell has to make the playoffs to have any chance to retain his job. Rondo will not get us to the playoffs and then he walks this summer under a new GM. So what did we trade Jrue for?? Basically nothing and Chicago likely doesn't even take on one of our bad contracts in Asik,Ajinca or Hill. No thanks.
You have to trade for a player that is a known young commodity in addition to a 1st round pick. Like I said, these trades are considering a player who is proven or WILL fit in the future nucleus of the team AND gaining assets (1st round pick/quality role player).
Basically your saying trade Jrue to start the reset over again in a Chicago trade unless you do a multi team trade to get your proven commodity as well. U only consider Chicago and a Rondo if they are taking back Asik and/or Ajinca or Hill.
A Chicago trade ensures no playoffs this year and tons of questions moving forward as well. Dell wouldn't be here to find out and he doesn't even consider it. Have to remember, Dell has to make the playoffs to have any chance to retain his job. Rondo will not get us to the playoffs and then he walks this summer under a new GM. So what did we trade Jrue for?? Basically nothing and Chicago likely doesn't even take on one of our bad contracts in Asik,Ajinca or Hill. No thanks.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:17 pm to irvchilichill1
MM expected buyout for Rondo. When traded. He mentioned him mostly for salary match.
He expected some of younger assets.
Denzel. Felicio. Zipser etc...
Maybe pick.
He expected some of younger assets.
Denzel. Felicio. Zipser etc...
Maybe pick.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:20 pm to pawel
Not trading Jrue for Rubio... Period. Rubio is grossly overrated, can't shoot, can't defend, maxed out potential at this point and one drafted point guard in 2017/18 from us being in the same boat as Minny looking to move him. Rubio is not the asset he is made out to be.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:26 pm to irvchilichill1
Again, the trade has to make sense for both teams and we HAVE to get something Proven in the deal besides picks... That's why you trade Jrue for a player with potential that undoubtedly will be realized in future but not better than Jrue today. That's why the trading partner gives their 1st rounder in addition and whatever else...
Also, the logic is not trading for say equal value now, but drafting the right player with the pick and he pans out, will allow us to look back and say we won the trade. Also, the player (s) received allows us to still compete for a playoff spot this year. That's the goal.
Also, the logic is not trading for say equal value now, but drafting the right player with the pick and he pans out, will allow us to look back and say we won the trade. Also, the player (s) received allows us to still compete for a playoff spot this year. That's the goal.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:27 pm to irvchilichill1
Rubio can defend. He is not great as a scorer. But facilitates great.
I prefer Rubio on a fair contract. Dont wanna pay20+ for Jrue or see him walk.
Dont expect Dell to blow things up. So if he moves Jrue he will add another young veteran.
Maybe I like Rubio cause I am European?
But yes. Understand your doubts with Ricky...
I prefer Rubio on a fair contract. Dont wanna pay20+ for Jrue or see him walk.
Dont expect Dell to blow things up. So if he moves Jrue he will add another young veteran.
Maybe I like Rubio cause I am European?
But yes. Understand your doubts with Ricky...
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:33 pm to pawel
Is Rubio a better Defender than Jrue? No. He is certainly not a better offensive player, his passing skills are above average but I don't feel it has translated to him being a superior PG, insofar as running a team, in fact, I say he is below average in that regard and do you really want him as the core piece of your trade? I'm thinking not. If you want Rubio, he certainly can be had for less than Jrue or Minny is definitely taking back one of our bad contracts AND giving their 1st round pick for it to even be considered. Nothing less.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:37 pm to irvchilichill1
Rubio might fit in gentrys offense better then Jrue does. Rubio passing is what we need in the offense to keep the ball moving
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:47 pm to irvchilichill1
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Is Rubio a better Defender than Jrue? No. He is certainly not a better offensive player, his passing skills are above average but I don't feel it has translated to him being a superior PG, insofar as running a team, in fact, I say he is below average in that regard and do you really want him as the core piece of your trade? I'm thinking not. If you want Rubio, he certainly can be had for less than Jrue or Minny is definitely taking back one of our bad contracts AND giving their 1st round pick for it to even be considered. Nothing less.
Rubio has consistently been top 3 in drpm rankings ahead of Jrue. I think you are placing way too much value on an expiring Jrie if you think we can get Rubio, Minny 1st and give away a bad contract.
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