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re: This team would be filthy with a good coach
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:10 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:10 am to whatiknowsofar
The Zion issue is arguably his biggest issue. When you can’t realize who your best player is, can’t design a clutch time offense around him, and can’t figure out who on the team maximizes him you are not doing your job as an NBA head coach.
The shape stuff was real to start the season. Zion struggles with being in shape and he had missed six months of basketball/training. That hasn’t been and definitely isn’t an excuse now. Luka has come into multiple seasons out of shape, not one time did that offense not go through him, especially to close games. The kid gloves and high school treatment has to stop.
The shape stuff was real to start the season. Zion struggles with being in shape and he had missed six months of basketball/training. That hasn’t been and definitely isn’t an excuse now. Luka has come into multiple seasons out of shape, not one time did that offense not go through him, especially to close games. The kid gloves and high school treatment has to stop.
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:23 am to unctiger4
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We don’t have the top end talent of the Thunder, Twolves, Nuggets, or Clippers.
Zion, Dyson, Murphy have all regressed this season. Hard to have top end talent when three of your young core players aren’t improving as expected. Who gets that blame?
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/3/24 at 11:23 am to PrayingMantis
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Well who should we replace him with? Not the easiest job to get a coach to come here
Idk if we'd get him, but if we ever fire Willie I'd hope they interview coach Bud.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 9:31 am to ghost2most
Not all of those are obvious, depending on the real time situation.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 9:44 am to GynoSandberg
Well, we could blame players for their own failure to progress, or is that too radical?
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:19 am to VOR
Name me a single NBA fanbase that thinks they have a good coach.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:39 am to bstaceyau19
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Name me a single NBA fanbase that thinks they have a good coach.
Miami
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:43 am to Soggymoss
That’s one. But he’d be crucified on this board for losing to the Nuggets.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 10:48 am
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:24 am to Soggymoss
There are only like 5-7 coaches i know for sure will make this team actually better. Spo, Pop, Malone, Kerr, Lue and maybe Udoka and Hardy. Unless we can pull one of those (we can’t) it’s not worth firing an average coach who can get better over time and has shown enough positives to believe in him. He did good in the playoffs and that’s what actually matters
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:54 am to PrayingMantis
Add Nurse, the OKC guy, Snyder, Finch to that list
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Willie is a good coach. He's 105-107 with Zion being out for damn near 2 full seasons of his 3, and Ingram missing significant time. And he's going to be over .500 overall when the season is over.
Amen. First season we’ve had a relatively healthy Ingram and Zion and we are looking like a 47-50 win team. Frankly, I think that is what our talent supports.
It’s not Willie Green’s fault Trey Murphy’s offense game was stolen by space aliens. If Trey comes out of this slump and Zion puts in consistent two way effort the rest of the season Willie’s rotation problems will largely solve themselves.
Willie may not be a championship coach, but his trendline with this team is nothing but positive.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:13 pm to ned nederlander
I wouldn't classify him as a "good" coach. He's mediocre-to-decent in his young career, but his biggest struggle is adjustments and reacting to the situation at hand.
With all that said, I think the thing that holds this team back is more of a roster issue. We keep hearing how we have a deep roster, and we do in the sense that we have a lot of dudes who if we cut them today, would get picked up in a heartbeat by other NBA teams. But a lot of our pieces don't fit together.
Anyone thinking that a new coach, short of a hall of fame level one, is going to magically fix that is fooling themselves.
With all that said, I think the thing that holds this team back is more of a roster issue. We keep hearing how we have a deep roster, and we do in the sense that we have a lot of dudes who if we cut them today, would get picked up in a heartbeat by other NBA teams. But a lot of our pieces don't fit together.
Anyone thinking that a new coach, short of a hall of fame level one, is going to magically fix that is fooling themselves.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:16 pm to VOR
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That’s one. But he’d be crucified on this board for losing to the Nuggets.
And Spo was crucified by the fan base and LeBron wanted him out in his first couple of years.
Fans are overly emotional and live and die game by game. If it wasn't for Pat knowing what they had in Spo, Miami would have missed out on the best coach of this generation.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:26 pm to Broski
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Anyone thinking that a new coach, short of a hall of fame level one, is going to magically fix that is fooling themselves
Agreed. If the alternative is Eric Spoelstra, sure.
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wouldn't classify him as a "good" coach. He's mediocre-to-decent in his young career
That’s too harsh for me. This is his first season with a relatively healthy roster, and as you said it’s just not a good enough roster. We are talent capped and I think Willie has us pretty close to that cap.
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We keep hearing how we have a deep roster, and we do in the sense that we have a lot of dudes who if we cut them today, would get picked up in a heartbeat by other NBA teams. But a lot of our pieces don't fit together.
Yea we just don’t have enough two way players. Of our “big 3” none player any defense. Our fourth best player in Jonas struggles defensively. We have a key rotational player in Dyson with zero offensive game. Jose is undersigned.
Herb is one of the few guys on the roster that are positive players on both ends.
That’s a tough hand to coach past the second round. Getting out of the first round is the bar for me at this point and I think Willie will clear it this year if we stay healthy.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:51 pm to VOR
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Well, we could blame players for their own failure to progress, or is that too radical?
Do you believe those guys aren’t catching heat?
At the end of the day, players aren’t the ones fired.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:23 pm to GynoSandberg
It seems my point may have sailed over your head
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:05 am to VOR
How do you figure? The players are catching blame for their performance, more so than the coach at this point.
What do you think happens if 20 & 23 year old players continue to struggle? Everyone talks about health but the coach is struggling to get the most out of the players and the lineups
What do you think happens if 20 & 23 year old players continue to struggle? Everyone talks about health but the coach is struggling to get the most out of the players and the lineups
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:25 am to GynoSandberg
His obsession with playing guys like Naji Marshall is maybe his biggest flaw. He sees himself in the journeymen try hards and plays them constantly over younger guys
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
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His obsession with playing guys like Naji Marshall is maybe his biggest flaw.
The idea of Naji is better than the reality of naji. He's having a really good year, but he's not a player offensively that can move the needle enough to take heat off of Zion, and he has little to no gravity for someone constantly standing at the 3pt line.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:18 pm to Fun Bunch
Nah, he’s played Naji in spot duty as needed, and Naji, for the most part, comes through.
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