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re: The "hot rumor" circulating according to Ric Bucher
Posted on 1/9/15 at 1:28 am to LosLobos111
Posted on 1/9/15 at 1:28 am to LosLobos111
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I MIGHT be able to live with dumars but Avery is no fricking bueno.
And if both positions become open the logical thing to do is pick your GM then coach and maybe Dumars would be opposed to Avery. I just don't see how Avery Johnson could become a candidate for the Pels, it would be such a stupid decision that you would think even the guys Benson depends on would tell him no.
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Posted on 1/9/15 at 2:04 am to htran90
Both would probably be improvements
How depressing is that shite?
How depressing is that shite?
Posted on 1/9/15 at 2:54 am to sma19
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Other than the josh smith move, what had dumars done wrong? I know nothing about his career but his resume seems better than most GMs in the league
do you even pay attention to the NBA?
Some of you "fans", smfh
Darko
lost Ben Wallace to the Bulls
Allen Iverson
hired Michael Curry, John Kuster
Ben Gordon, Charlie V
Mo Cheeks
Josh Smith
Brandon Jennings
Dumars lucked into Monroe and Drummond is one of the worst GMs in the last decade.
I'd rather Avery, who would flame out in a year or two then Dumars making roster moves screwing us for 5-6 years
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 2:57 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 5:40 am to NOLAbaby
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George Karl hasn't coached in a while for a reason. Do not want.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:30 am to GynoSandberg
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There is a young coach in the D-League I was reading about, can't recall his name
Not sure if this is who you're talking about but Alex Jensen is a name that comes up alot. He was in the D league for a while but i know he is a Rick Majerus Protege and is supposed to be an offensive guru.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:49 am to RonBurgundy
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Darko
Everyone was wrong on Darko, not just Dumars. Some people were saying Darko should go #1 above Lebron.
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lost Ben Wallace to the Bulls
Bulls gave him a big, 4 year contract. Considering he only had one more good NBA season, I'll mark this as a positive for Joe.
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Iverson
The move gave them cap flexibility that summer. It was the acknowledgment that his team was over the hill (which they were).
Now, he used the cap space on
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Ben Gordon, Charlie V
That was bad.
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Michael Curry, John Kuster
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Mo Cheeks
He also gave Rick Carlisle his first head coaching job. Then he maintained success with Larry Brown and Flip Saunders. Not every hire is a home run.
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Josh Smith
That was bad. Almost as bad as the summer of '09.
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Brandon Jennings
This is still inconclusive IMO. He's the same age as Tyreke, paid less for similar games. The Pistons implosion just puts him in the spotlight more.
Overall, Dumars has done some good and some bad. If he's able to recognize where it went wrong, I think he is competent enough to avoid some of those mistakes.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:53 am to PKTiger
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Overall, Dumars has done some good and some bad. If he's able to recognize where it went wrong, I think he is competent enough to avoid some of those mistakes.
I agree, to ignore the great teams he put together there and only focus on his mistakes is narrow minded. We could do a lot worse than Dumars.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:03 am to whoknows1390
Dumars has done a lot more than Dell Demps.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:05 am to Galactic Inquisitor
One could argue that the bad part of Dumars' career is better than Dell's overall.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:14 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Dumars has done a lot more than Dell Demps.
This is a fact.
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One could argue that the bad part of Dumars' career is better than Dell's overall.
The sad part is you really can make that argument.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:32 am to eyeran
I would give up.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:54 am to Fun Bunch
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I would give up.
Ric Bucher must have been really bored to write this. at the end of the article he basically says i made this whole thing up but hey it could happen.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:59 am to eyeran
I have no idea is there's an ounce of validity to either possibility. But for the first time, I think Monty (and maybe Dell) may be in genuine trouble with ownership if the Pelicans screw the pooch in January.
I've always been perplexed at the degree some people write off Dumars. The guy made a terrific team out of the Pistons in the early to mid-2000's with some pretty savvy moves. Things did eventually go south for him. Honestly, though, the guy has proved he can do the job. Plus he went to high school in Natchitoches. Winner!
Avery is a puzzler to me. I'd hate to think he's the best we can do. HOWEVER, he damned sure has accomplished more than Monty (and I've been one to give Monty a lot of time). I'm really not sure you can use the Nets as the definitive measure of his coaching.
I'm not on the bandwagon for either guy, but I have to say they'd at least shake things up and bring some excitement. Absent a win streak in January, I'm ready for just about anything.
I've always been perplexed at the degree some people write off Dumars. The guy made a terrific team out of the Pistons in the early to mid-2000's with some pretty savvy moves. Things did eventually go south for him. Honestly, though, the guy has proved he can do the job. Plus he went to high school in Natchitoches. Winner!
Avery is a puzzler to me. I'd hate to think he's the best we can do. HOWEVER, he damned sure has accomplished more than Monty (and I've been one to give Monty a lot of time). I'm really not sure you can use the Nets as the definitive measure of his coaching.
I'm not on the bandwagon for either guy, but I have to say they'd at least shake things up and bring some excitement. Absent a win streak in January, I'm ready for just about anything.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:04 am to VOR
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Absent a win streak in January, I'm ready for just about anything.
I've been on the give Monty/Demps time train for a while but I think its time to move on.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:04 am to VOR
At the very least the owner and his wife selecting both because they're likable locals seems like a horrible idea. The next GM should pick the coach, and looking at Dumars track record, he's mostly had success with coaching lifers and gotten burned every time he went with recent former players. Maybe they know each other and like each other, but on the surface Avery doesn't seem like a guy Dumars would/should go with.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:07 am to whoknows1390
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I've been on the give Monty/Demps time train for a while but I think its time to move on.
It's only fair to give them January and see if they can get back on script, but with the road record vs. the East, it's not looking good.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:07 am to TigerinATL
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At the very least the owner and his wife selecting both because they're likable locals seems like a horrible idea.
Oh, I agree completely. I'm just looking beyond that to the merits or lack thereof to the hire(s).
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The next GM should pick the coach
Yep. Well, especially in the case of the Pelicans.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:13 am to whoknows1390
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at the end of the article he basically says i made this whole thing up but hey it could happen.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I took it.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:34 am to GynoSandberg
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People that hate on Dumars are clueless
Dumars was absolutely atrocious as a GM the last eight years in Detroit. If he were able to draft anyone with a pulse other than Tayshaun Prince and Okur between 2000-2010 our championship window would have been longer, drove the roster into the ground after the title when it was clear it was no longer a contender, freely passed out contract extensions to marginal players, meddled in coaching/playing time decisions, used cap room on Ben Gordon and Charlie V, signed Josh Smith to play small forward, traded for Allen Iverson, dumped a lottery pick to Charlotte to get rid of Ben Gordon, gave away Arron Afflalo, and had nine coaches in fourteen years. Did I mention that the Pistons haven't made the playoffs since 2009?...wonder why that is. I could go on, just let me know.
So yeah, Joe Dumars would be a good hire if your goal is to sign-and-trade Anthony Davis for the next Ben Wallace should he decide to walk, steal a player of Rasheed Wallace's caliber, resurrect the career of Johnny Flynn, and pray to hire a top 5 coach in NBA history.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:37 am to VOR
Joe Dumars should be known largely for 2 things-
-winning a championship in a professional sport that has seen only a limited number of franchises achieve this. Not to mention that they were a Rasheed Wallace brain fart from going back to back.
-Dumars is one of the most respected people in the nba. Players and coaches LOVE playing for him.
His time in Detroit had come and gone. He was growing stale, and some of his moves reeked of desperation. No one mentioned it yet in this thread, but he was also financially handicapped during the Pistons recent down period due to the death of Bill Davidson.
If in the right situation, he has proven that he can be a GREAT GM.
-winning a championship in a professional sport that has seen only a limited number of franchises achieve this. Not to mention that they were a Rasheed Wallace brain fart from going back to back.
-Dumars is one of the most respected people in the nba. Players and coaches LOVE playing for him.
His time in Detroit had come and gone. He was growing stale, and some of his moves reeked of desperation. No one mentioned it yet in this thread, but he was also financially handicapped during the Pistons recent down period due to the death of Bill Davidson.
If in the right situation, he has proven that he can be a GREAT GM.
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