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re: The "hot rumor" circulating according to Ric Bucher
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:58 am to LSU Piston
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:58 am to LSU Piston
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His time in Detroit had come and gone. He was growing stale, and some of his moves reeked of desperation. No one mentioned it yet in this thread, but he was also financially handicapped during the Pistons recent down period due to the death of Bill Davidson.
This is interesting. I was hoping you'd come in here to provide some insight.
As far as this board goes, Dumars had more success as a GM than George Karl did as a coach.
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Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:11 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I do not understand the hate for those two. Avery coached his team to the playoffs and one time the finals. Dumars would not be a bad hire either. Avery's time with the Nets was a rebuilding process with horrible salaries.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:11 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Dumars had more success as a GM than George Karl did as a coach.
There's no denying Dumars' success. The question is who is he. The first half of his career was great, the 2nd half was terrible. What's his general philosophy? Like I said before, just looking at his coaching hires he prefers lifers, probably a reflection of Chuck Daly, and the few times he went with recent players it didn't work out at all. What else do we know about Joe as a GM?
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
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There's no denying Dumars' success
The hell there isn't.
He "built" a team that was great...and then proceeded to be absolutely one of, if not the worst, GM in the league for like 8 years.
No thank you. It mostly annoys me that they are looking at GMs/Coaches based on local ties, which is terrible.
I'd rather find a guy like Toronto did, with experience but still up and coming.
And Avery is basically Monty/Mark Jackson. Not an Xs and Os guy, a rah rah guy that is supposed to inspire, but he grated on his players and was fired from two jobs for teams that weren't doing that bad. That tells you something right there.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:28 am to brgfather129
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gave away Arron Afflalo
Don't forget Amir Johnson
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:28 am to eyeran
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There is no confirmation from Pelicans sources that any definitive dissatisfaction with either GM Dell Demps or head coach Monty Williams exists, or that Dumars or Johnson have been contacted about their interest in returning to their native state.
Sounds more like speculation than a rumor, but I'd be pretty upset with either hire, even more so if it is both. Like others said, we don't need the owners hiring their friends while we have the best basketball player in the league at the age of 21. We need basketball people making basketball decisions.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:33 am to LSU Piston
Hiring Kuester, drafting Stuckey, Jerebko, Maxiell, trading Afflalo for a 2nd round pick, giving big contracts to Rip and Tayshaun when they were clearly on the downside, Ben Gordon and Charlie V, the absolute nightmare Josh Smith deal, Jennings, etc etc etc.
Dude just lost it. Maybe he made some good moves in the beginning but he clearly just fell apart and became an absolutely atrocious GM. We are talking good moves MORE than 10 years ago, and then a shitload of terrible ones.
Dude just lost it. Maybe he made some good moves in the beginning but he clearly just fell apart and became an absolutely atrocious GM. We are talking good moves MORE than 10 years ago, and then a shitload of terrible ones.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:35 am to mm2316
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We need basketball people making basketball decisions.
And that's Benson's normal MO, hire people and let them do the work. He really isn't a meddlesome owner. The main reason he's not universally loved are his repeated shake downs of the state for money, and his attempt to sneak away in the night during Katrina. Outside of that he's been about as good as you can ask from for an owner.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:40 am to TigerinATL
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And that's Benson's normal MO, hire people and let them do the work
Yeah Benson is a car salesman. He's been a dick in the past, but the one thing he has done is hire people, for better or worse, and just let them do their thing. Mueller, Finks, Ditka, Loomis, Payton, etc. They were all given pretty free range to succeed or hang themselves.
My gut tells me that Loomis will be the one making the hire, and he will rely on insider basketball people to figure out a hot name, pick a guy that is behind the scenes with good credentials, and roll with that guy.
The thing that does concern me is that most of the Benson brain trust are not "basketball people" so they may be more looking to pick an extremely experienced guy, especially after the "up and comer" in Monty/Dell failed. A la Joe Dumars.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
My question is this, its great that Benson may have in his head who his "guys" would be. But would Avery Johnson be the guy Joe Dumars want? Obviously Dumars would want to select his head coach if accepted position.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:51 am to Chad504boy
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But would Avery Johnson be the guy Joe Dumars want?
When it comes to coaches, even Dumars himself has no idea what he wants.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:54 am to brgfather129
He'll hire John Kuester.
If we are going to go down in flames, might as well do it spectacularly. Goodbye New Orleans Basketball, we hardly knew ye.
If we are going to go down in flames, might as well do it spectacularly. Goodbye New Orleans Basketball, we hardly knew ye.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:55 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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As far as this board goes, Dumars had more success as a GM than George Karl did as a coach.
No need to be a contrarian
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
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He'll hire John Kuester
Probably sitting at home thinking about giving Michael Curry another shot someday.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:02 am to LosLobos111
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No need to be a contrarian
No need to hide from reality.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:02 am to brgfather129
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When it comes to coaches, even Dumars himself has no idea what he wants.
He made some pretty good hires in Detroit.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:03 am to Fun Bunch
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The thing that does concern me is that most of the Benson brain trust are not "basketball people" so they may be more looking to pick an extremely experienced guy, especially after the "up and comer" in Monty/Dell failed. A la Joe Dumars.
They could hire the up and coming GM then bring Dumars in as a consultant. I wouldn't mind that at all.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:03 am to Chad504boy
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Obviously Dumars would want to select his head coach if accepted position.
Which is the way it should work. I think a big part of our problem is that our GM and head coach have never been on the same page on personnel moves.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:04 am to BayouBengal0505
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Avery's time with the Nets was a rebuilding process with horrible salaries.
I think that skews the perception of him quite a bit.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:05 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Which is the way it should work. I think a big part of our problem is that our GM and head coach have never been on the same page on personnel moves.
Word before the season started was that Demps would go before Monty if that was case. That is terrifying.
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