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re: so....what are the excuses we can make up to give monty yet another year
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:10 am to brmark70816
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:10 am to brmark70816
This team, even with a competent roster, has shown the monty cannot coach very well.
When a competent opponent throws a curve ball, or the ball rolls a way that it isn't supposed to, like a 12 point lead vanishing, he panics. Rarely does this team ever recover after they lose the lead like that.
That is not a "talent issue", if we're up 12 in the 4th quarter and we weren't playing lights out. That is a coaching issue and it needs to be fixed, now.
When a competent opponent throws a curve ball, or the ball rolls a way that it isn't supposed to, like a 12 point lead vanishing, he panics. Rarely does this team ever recover after they lose the lead like that.
That is not a "talent issue", if we're up 12 in the 4th quarter and we weren't playing lights out. That is a coaching issue and it needs to be fixed, now.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:19 am to LosLobos111
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Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again is a fool's errand.
Every good team in the league builds through the draft, it isn't just about hoping to land another star either but build depth.
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If we don't finish with roughly 45 wins which is still quite possible.
Well, we have to give it to them eventually no matter what the outcome is this year.
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Other than gordon the contracts are really not that bad.
When you pay players 10-11m dollars a year that don't fit together they become bad contracts. Nobody in the league besides us was willing to give Tyreke that contract anyway.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:27 am to Markie812
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Every good team in the league builds through the draft, it isn't just about hoping to land another star either but build depth.
There is variants of this that're too long to list.
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Well, we have to give it to them eventually no matter what the outcome is this year.
Down the road when it really won't matter.
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When you pay players 10-11m dollars a year that don't fit together they become bad contracts.
Holiday isn't a bad contract. Gordon's story writes itself. Anderson is one of the best contracts.
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Nobody in the league besides us was willing to give Tyreke that contract anyway.
This is false. There was interest in him going back to SAC or in DET.
With the cap drastically increasing,10.5 mil is the new 7-8 mil.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:28 am to htran90
When have we had a competent roster? Maybe when Paul and West were still here. But even then, we had holes. I just don't believe that coaching wins games in basketball, not at the level guys on here are pumping it up to be. Talent wins. Players that are winners.. win. I've never seen a coach take a team that should be a 4-5 seed and pull them down so much that they are out of the playoffs.
We just don't have a good team. We have some talent, but most of it doesn't match together. That is on the GM. From what I read, Demps' contract is up after this year (Williams is until after next season). Would you give him a new contract?
We just don't have a good team. We have some talent, but most of it doesn't match together. That is on the GM. From what I read, Demps' contract is up after this year (Williams is until after next season). Would you give him a new contract?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:28 am to ShamelessPel
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Lobos we want to win are you kidding me? All of us. This board has wanted Monty gone for a long time now and we are FRUSTRATED cause we aren't winning. This isn't the rant overreacting and being bi polar week to week or saints talk calling Brees washed up.
The story is consistent every season. Monty Williams blows.
I agree but I'm not talking about monty specifically.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 12:32 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:30 am to brmark70816
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I don't think this is fair. There are a lot of us that questioned many of the decisions that have been made and the direction the team has chosen. I don't do it just to be a contrarian and I don't want the team to be bad.
It is when we're talking about specific posters.
Questioning it is fine but it gets to a point where that viewpoint is extreme.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 12:32 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:33 am to LosLobos111
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This board pretty much hopes it blows up just so they can say "I told you so".
No, this board is just ready to move on from Monty. The only thing really in his favor is that the players, including AD, seem to like him.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:34 am to TigerinATL
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No, this board is just ready to move on from Monty. The only thing really in his favor is that the players, including AD, seem to like him.
I am too but there's more things underlying on this board.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:58 am to fightingtiger2335
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Getting touched as a kid is the best way never to get fired apparently
Wow, dude
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:03 am to John McClane
Yeah that was bad
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:20 am to Markie812
Depth is killing us, not quality of the players we have imo.
What we did was essentially trade picks to lock players we're interested in and not have to fight to sign players from other teams/other bidders. Ultimately, its like you guys say "fit". Because honestly, it doesn't fit. We have 3 guards that require high USG rates to be well...good. EG took a step back this year in USG and when he started to get in his rhythm, he played well (Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento, Denver, and Utah). Jrue and Tyreke just don't mesh well when they're on the court for extended periods of time.
Honestly, Tyreke is the odd man out imo and he needs to run the 2nd team, which in theory would work if we had a competent SF (Casspi) to roll with the first unit and a competent 3pt specialist (Morrow) to roll with the second unit. Instead we have Luke Babbitt, Jimmer Fredette, and John Salmons.
What we did was essentially trade picks to lock players we're interested in and not have to fight to sign players from other teams/other bidders. Ultimately, its like you guys say "fit". Because honestly, it doesn't fit. We have 3 guards that require high USG rates to be well...good. EG took a step back this year in USG and when he started to get in his rhythm, he played well (Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento, Denver, and Utah). Jrue and Tyreke just don't mesh well when they're on the court for extended periods of time.
Honestly, Tyreke is the odd man out imo and he needs to run the 2nd team, which in theory would work if we had a competent SF (Casspi) to roll with the first unit and a competent 3pt specialist (Morrow) to roll with the second unit. Instead we have Luke Babbitt, Jimmer Fredette, and John Salmons.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:09 am to htran90
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We have 3 guards that require high USG rates to be well...good.
Jrue's Usage hasn't been very high at all,in fact is one of the lowest among PGs on par with CP3/Rondo.
He also has a PER of 19.5.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 6:29 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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We won't know if it was a good deal until we find out if we lose a first and he signs his next deal
It suffers because it comes after 2 lotto picks for Holiday. He gets a guy like Asik for a first, even a late lottery pick, and its equal to Anderson's deal. It's just hard to acquire great defensive bigs. I don't like the pick protection though.
Of course, one could argue they already had a good rim protector on a great contract in Rolo that was misused by the coach's schemes.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 6:37 am to corndeaux
I don't care how stacked the West is, if we don't make it to the playoffs in the 3 years that we've had AD, that's a fireable fricking offense. We still run fricking retarded halfcourt sets on offense – especially in crunchtime when the team inexplicably decides to actively keep the ball away from AD. That's on Monty.
The makeup of this team is just so shitty. Outside of Ryno, there is not one player on that bench that would be a rotational guy on a playoff-caliber team. That's on Demps.
The makeup of this team is just so shitty. Outside of Ryno, there is not one player on that bench that would be a rotational guy on a playoff-caliber team. That's on Demps.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:07 am to Broski
I will say Jimmer has had some good games. I haven't seen a ton of the guy but I looked up the Wizards and he had a pretty good real minute game against them and isn't as bad as he has played. He is the only part time rotational player we have now and his results have been pretty miserable so far. I thought the guy was a hustler...he didn't even try.
I mean has the NBA beat this out of the guy...you can see a swagger then at least.
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Rivers...nuff said.
That being said...Rivers and Jimmer should be playing together in the second unit. This is how we did it in the pre-season.
I mean has the NBA beat this out of the guy...you can see a swagger then at least.
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Rivers...nuff said.
That being said...Rivers and Jimmer should be playing together in the second unit. This is how we did it in the pre-season.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 7:09 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:27 am to Broski
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Outside of Ryno, there is not one player on that bench that would be a rotational guy on a playoff-caliber team. That's on Demps.
Yep. It's mainly on the rebuild mode he chose. Everything has benefits and drawbacks. He got young vets on reasonable contracts but he gave up all his cap space and 1sts to have a good top 6 that is largely immovable. Nothing wrong with that per se, it just hasn't worked out for him yet largely due to injuries.
They carry 15 players. When you fill 7 roster spots with minimum level $$, your bench will be terrible.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 7:29 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:03 am to corndeaux
That's where decision making and being a good gm comes in handy.
Instead of Morrow, he signs two others, the first who is a player you know is already deficient on defense and is undersized (Jimmer) and a SF that was barely productive in 20 minutes per game last year (5ppg, 2rpg, 2apg; Salmons).
He lets the younger, more competent SF we acquire in a trade walk (Casspi) where he actually did something last year (7ppg, 4rpg, 1apg on 18mpg).
We could have acquired depth, but we probably would have fricked that up too with Monty's rotations.
Instead of Morrow, he signs two others, the first who is a player you know is already deficient on defense and is undersized (Jimmer) and a SF that was barely productive in 20 minutes per game last year (5ppg, 2rpg, 2apg; Salmons).
He lets the younger, more competent SF we acquire in a trade walk (Casspi) where he actually did something last year (7ppg, 4rpg, 1apg on 18mpg).
We could have acquired depth, but we probably would have fricked that up too with Monty's rotations.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:49 am to TigerinATL
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No, this board is just ready to move on from Monty. The only thing really in his favor is that the players, including AD, seem to like him.
Yep.
I think Monty Williams is a great guy, a really good assistant coach and a genuinely likable figure for our players.
But I've been done with him as a head coach for a long time.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:12 pm to htran90
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htran90
We tried to keep Morrow. He was essentially our priority outside of Asik. He got a slightly higher offer from OKC and the chance to play for a contender and bolted. There was literally nothing Demps could do.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:34 pm to ShamelessPel
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We tried to keep Morrow. He was essentially our priority outside of Asik. He got a slightly higher offer from OKC and the chance to play for a contender and bolted. There was literally nothing Demps could do.
all reports said Dell told him "limited" in what we could offer. I'm pretty sure he would have stayed if we matched OKC's offer, but I think Dell believed we could replicate Morrow's production with Jimmer for less (i think it was a week later we signed him) and we had holes at SF.
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