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re: Pels 88 vs Mavericks 85 Final / Preseason Game Thread
Posted on 10/24/14 at 3:53 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 10/24/14 at 3:53 pm to corndeaux
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I'm not sure the young vet strategy has particularly impacted his production on the court.
I'm not talking about his development, the injuries definitely helped that. I'm talking about recognition of that development. Would the media be anointing Davis if he were on a team that was at least 2 years removed from the playoffs? They appear ready to run fast and hard with the Anthiony Davis is #3 storyline, and that has to be helpful to the team in everything from recruiting players/coaches, to getting Benson to spend money because people are saying the team is worth $1 Billion now.
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Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:08 pm to TigerinATL
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I like Payton, but don't think anything else you've listed here solves the SF problem. Improves it maybe, but doesn't solve it to the level it would be solved with $10-$15 million in cap space next offseason
10 to 15 is going to get you a middle of the road wing, not a potential difference maker, unless they get incredibly lucky. this team needs another difference maker, and that guy is not currently on this team. assets to help acquire that difference maker were used to get jrue holiday and tyreke evans, which gets us back to square one
Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:14 pm to TigerinATL
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Would the media be anointing Davis if he were on a team that was at least 2 years removed from the playoffs?
Yes.
Media have been on Davis since day 1. Just because ESPN (TV) sucks doesn't mean NBA Twitter doesn't know what's happening.
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that has to be helpful to the team in everything from recruiting players/coaches,
Sure. But players and coaches have known about him since Day 1. They don't need ESPN (TV) to tell them that Davis is a superstar.
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to getting Benson to spend money because people are saying the team is worth $1 Billion now.
Every franchise has seen their value rise astronomically. Not sure we can knock Simmons for being dumb about the Jrue trade and then take his word on the team's valuation. For my money, he is more of an authority on the trade.
The bigger thing is that Benson is willing to spend. That's more noticeable than the moves themselves. Even then, it will always be a problem getting guys to come to NO- Sacramento has shown a willingness to spend- who's lining up to play there?
ETA- Pre Decision, who was rushing to get to Cleveland? Or Denver with Melo? Or Dallas with Dirk? Getting a second star to fall into your lap has been very hard to do historically outside of LA. Maybe that's changing with shorter contracts. Certainly something to keep an eye on
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:17 pm to cgrand
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10 to 15 is going to get you a middle of the road wing, not a potential difference maker,
10 to 15 could easily get them an above average wing.
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his team needs another difference maker, and that guy is not currently on this team. assets to help acquire that difference maker were used to get jrue holiday and tyreke evans, which gets us back to square one
Who was in the last few drafts that would be a difference maker? Parker/Wiggins? They had no shot at those guys when half the league was trying to get them. Do you want to be like philly and suck for 3+ years and not being able to attract FAs due to selling off every single player they have?
Tyreke and Jrue are very good players. This team will likely have cap space next year in that 10-15 range when gordon is gone.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:24 pm to LosLobos111
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Do you want to be like philly and suck for 3+ years and not being able to attract FAs due to selling off every single player they have?
Philly is actively trying NOT to attract FA. It is an organizational commitment to bottoming out to acquire as many potentially good players as possible.
Not trading two lottery picks for Holiday is not a decision to suck. It's a decision to trade immediate production for future production. I get why they did it. Just like Philly's plan, there is no guarantee it will work.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:32 pm to cgrand
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which gets us back to square one
It really does seem like 6 of one half a dozen of another except you've traded uncertainty (what will be the true ceiling of picks that could have been made instead like Giannis and Payton) for certainty and 2 more years of playoffs assuming health = playoffs this year.
I view the longer term plan through a more pessimistic lens though because I think if Demps were forced to keep his picks we'd have wound up with MCW/Burke 2 years ago (not high on either) which means you wouldn't take Payton last year and probably end up with Saric who I also am not that high on.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:37 pm to corndeaux
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Philly is actively trying NOT to attract FA. It is an organizational commitment to bottoming out to acquire as many potentially good players as possible.
I meant after that time period of building the stockipile and sucking in my original post. There'll come a time when they(the bosses) expect wins though. Fans support will dry up too because who'd want to watch that shiteshow?
They're taking a HUGE risk.
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Not trading two lottery picks for Holiday is not a decision to suck. It's a decision to trade immediate production for future production. I get why they did it.
I do as well in that situation.
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Just like Philly's plan, there is no guarantee it will work.
Oh I know but what gets me is hinkie being called "a genius". I like what demps is trying to do. Some don't but they're too enamored with OKCs success.
I get what philly is doing but they're taking it to such an extreme.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 4:38 pm to TigerinATL
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I view the longer term plan through a more pessimistic lens though because I think if Demps were forced to keep his picks we'd have wound up with MCW/Burke 2 years ago (not high on either) which means you wouldn't take Payton last year and probably end up with Saric who I also am not that high on.
I don't know why people don't get this.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 5:10 pm to LosLobos111
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I don't know why people don't get this.
They think their picks would work. To be fair I'm basing my optimism on things not going to hell again and there is no guarantee that it won't.
Also, MCW/Burke doesn't really matter because if Demps doesn't trade for Jrue, I still think the play is draft Noel and trade for a veteran, I'm just not sure who that veteran would have been because Holiday wasn't even on the radar in terms of availability.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 5:17 pm to LosLobos111
quote:this was my primary beef with bill simmons. he was using the logic that we would've drafted and kept noel
I don't know why people don't get this.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 5:18 pm to TigerinATL
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I view the longer term plan through a more pessimistic lens though because I think if Demps were forced to keep his picks we'd have wound up with MCW/Burke 2 years ago (not high on either) which means you wouldn't take Payton last year and probably end up with Saric who I also am not that high on.
That's fair. While it's only been one guy really, Demps's non AD draft record is spotty at best. For me, if the plan was to sign Evans all along, I do not do the Holiday trade. Likewise if the plan was to trade for Holiday, I do not do the Evans trade. One or the other, but not both moves.
It's more about fit than anything else for me. There is no need for all 3 of the guards mostly because of who the coach is. If the plan is to accelerate the rebuild and Gordon isn't part of the plan, then you must dump him. But at least 2 years with all 3 guys taking up 50% of the cap is a hell of a risk too.
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