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re: Pelicans trying to trade into top 5?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:00 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:00 pm to TigerinATL
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It seems pretty unrealistic and would probably take trading Holiday. I can't imagine Demps gutting the roster for a rookie especially a high risk one like Embid, so it would have to be part of a move to go after a bigger star like Love. McNamara suggested it could be an unsuspected move like Holiday was last year, say Memphis is looking to hit the reset button and you can get Gasol for a top 5 pick. I really don't think the odds are high of such a big move happening, but I'd have never guessed we'd have traded for Holiday either.
Thanks Yeah, it would be pretty crazy to trade Holiday after last years trade to get him. Unless you can get Wiggins and have faith in Rivers/Roberts running point. That still leaves us with the Gordon Question.
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:07 pm to Suntiger
I actually like Holiday on this team...Don't really want to trade him for an unknown commodity unless you KNOW your getting a bonafide star a la AD23.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:55 pm to iAmThatMan
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Don't really want to trade him for an unknown commodity unless you KNOW your getting a bonafide star a la AD23.
There doesn't appear that there's an "AD" type player in this draft. The closest thing to that is Wiggins...and he won't last pass the 2nd pick.
Secondly, if we've learned anything about Demps, it's he isn't big on draft picks.
If he's really trying to get a top 5 pick, you can bet it's one piece of a trade. The Benson folks won't let him trade Holiday (and that's what it will take)for a draft pick, unless it's for a trade to get a bona fide top 5 player at his position.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:13 pm to adono
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There doesn't appear an "AD" type player in this draft. The closest thing to that is Wiggins...and he won't last pass the 2nd pick.
Yeah, Wiggins is the star of this draft with Embiid having injury concerns.
I'm more for taking the proven commodity, but if I could trade Holiday for Wiggins, I'd have to take that chance every day.
Question for the PT board regulars:
Is Doug McDermott they kind of SF we need spreading the floor? (basically the anti-AFA) Or is it more important to have a defensive guy at the 3?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:21 pm to Suntiger
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Is Doug McDermott they kind of SF we need spreading the floor?
I think we need something closer to contract year Trevor Ariza. A guy that can lead the perimeter defense and hit the open 3.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:35 pm to Suntiger
I think given our roster and the number of guys that can score, a defensive SF is more important than a shooter. Ideally we'll find that 3&D combo guy, but if I had to pick between a knock-down 3 point shooter with no D or a lock-down defender with no shooting range, I'm going D.
However I don't think AFA or Dougie fall into those categories, and given a choice out of those 2, I don't know anyone who would choose AFA. We've tried that experiment. It failed. Doug is more than just a shooter sitting out at the 3point line waiting for kickouts. He's a flat out scorer. I think he'll be decent defensively...probably still below average as a 1 on 1 defender, but he's smart enough and gives enough effort to potentially hold his own with regards to defensive rotations.
AFA on the other hand is just a lost cause as anything other than an energy guy off the bench.
However I don't think AFA or Dougie fall into those categories, and given a choice out of those 2, I don't know anyone who would choose AFA. We've tried that experiment. It failed. Doug is more than just a shooter sitting out at the 3point line waiting for kickouts. He's a flat out scorer. I think he'll be decent defensively...probably still below average as a 1 on 1 defender, but he's smart enough and gives enough effort to potentially hold his own with regards to defensive rotations.
AFA on the other hand is just a lost cause as anything other than an energy guy off the bench.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:45 pm to That's BS
Yaa..Wiggins potential is enticing.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:42 pm to iAmThatMan
I would flip over McDermott! He would be instant Offense! 
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:02 pm to Suntiger
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Is Doug McDermott they kind of SF we need spreading the floor?
The type of guy they need is Kawhi Leonard- even before his Finals explosion. So I would say no.
If they think they can fix Aaron Gordon's shot, he could be that guy. But if not, he's a variation of Aminu. If they moved Anderson and somehow ended up with the chance to pick McDermott, I'd be all for it. I also like Stauskas (probably a little small though) a lot. If they get a late first, Kyle Anderson is interesting. Monty probably wouldn't know what to do with him, but a fascinating player.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:09 pm to corndeaux
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Stauskas (probably a little small though)
Nope he's 6'6", I dont think thats too small at SG. I really like him and would be all for moving Anderson for him. He would bring an excellent shooter and he can actually create his own shot a little and is a decent ball handler.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:11 pm to Ed Wuncler III
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Nope he's 6'6"
Probably but
Holiday
Evans
Stauskas
Anderson
Davis
is an enticing unit.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:54 pm to corndeaux
Well... I seriously doubt its Saric now. Its being reported that he agreed to terms with a team in Turkey and wont be able to play in the NBA for at least 2 years.
Honestly, I dont really think we need to trade into the top 5 to find a solid SF that can be a 3rd / 4th option on offense and a solid defender. Like someone said, a Kawhi Leonard (before he blew up in the NBA finals) type player is what we need.
And I dont think we need to trade into the top 5, or even top 10, to get someone like that. SFs that I like that we could get between 10-35:
Jerami Grant
CleAnthony Early
DeAndre Daniels
LaQuinton Ross
The player out of that group that I would want the most is CleAnthony Early, and for a number of reasons. Hes ready to come in and contribute immediately. Hes experienced and pretty polished. And is a very explosive athlete with a 35in standing vert and a 40in max vert. 6'7.25 with a 6'11 wingspan. He is an efficient scorer and doesnt require a lot of shots or touches. Hes not a great 3pt shooter, but hes solid and has gotten better and better at it each year. Hes a solid defender and doesnt have an ego or anything like that. Hes more than willing to do the things that is asked of him. And hes great moving without the ball. He can post up if need be and is a fantastic free throw shooter (85%).
Hes a very solid player with few weaknesses. And 1 of those weaknesses is that hes not that great at dribbling or creating for himself. But, we wouldnt be asking him to be doing with as the 3rd or 4th option. AD, Holiday, Anderson / Tyreke all would be ahead of him most of the time. And he wouldnt be dominating the ball for us.
And, we wouldnt have to trade up to the top 10 to get him. We could move up in the early 20s and still snag him.
My 2nd SF that I would like for us to take in the mid to late 1st would be DeAndre Daniels. Hes a bit more raw than Early is and more of a "project" type guy, but he does possess a little more potential than Early.
I would be really happy if we could get 1 of those guys. A lot of NBA teams are looking for a "star" player in the draft. We have the luxury of already having a star and hes just 21years old. We also have a very good young PG in Holiday and a few more pieces like Tyreke, Ryno, etc. We dont need a star. We need a solid player that can play D and rebound, and be an efficient offensive player that doesnt need a lot of touches or shot opportunities to be a difference maker. I think both Early and Daniels could be that guy for us.
Honestly, I dont really think we need to trade into the top 5 to find a solid SF that can be a 3rd / 4th option on offense and a solid defender. Like someone said, a Kawhi Leonard (before he blew up in the NBA finals) type player is what we need.
And I dont think we need to trade into the top 5, or even top 10, to get someone like that. SFs that I like that we could get between 10-35:
Jerami Grant
CleAnthony Early
DeAndre Daniels
LaQuinton Ross
The player out of that group that I would want the most is CleAnthony Early, and for a number of reasons. Hes ready to come in and contribute immediately. Hes experienced and pretty polished. And is a very explosive athlete with a 35in standing vert and a 40in max vert. 6'7.25 with a 6'11 wingspan. He is an efficient scorer and doesnt require a lot of shots or touches. Hes not a great 3pt shooter, but hes solid and has gotten better and better at it each year. Hes a solid defender and doesnt have an ego or anything like that. Hes more than willing to do the things that is asked of him. And hes great moving without the ball. He can post up if need be and is a fantastic free throw shooter (85%).
Hes a very solid player with few weaknesses. And 1 of those weaknesses is that hes not that great at dribbling or creating for himself. But, we wouldnt be asking him to be doing with as the 3rd or 4th option. AD, Holiday, Anderson / Tyreke all would be ahead of him most of the time. And he wouldnt be dominating the ball for us.
And, we wouldnt have to trade up to the top 10 to get him. We could move up in the early 20s and still snag him.
My 2nd SF that I would like for us to take in the mid to late 1st would be DeAndre Daniels. Hes a bit more raw than Early is and more of a "project" type guy, but he does possess a little more potential than Early.
I would be really happy if we could get 1 of those guys. A lot of NBA teams are looking for a "star" player in the draft. We have the luxury of already having a star and hes just 21years old. We also have a very good young PG in Holiday and a few more pieces like Tyreke, Ryno, etc. We dont need a star. We need a solid player that can play D and rebound, and be an efficient offensive player that doesnt need a lot of touches or shot opportunities to be a difference maker. I think both Early and Daniels could be that guy for us.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:30 pm to corndeaux
Haven't read this whole thread but I'm assuming we all agree there's no we we trade into the top 5?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:02 pm to Cap Crunch
Yaa...Basically. 
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:07 pm to iAmThatMan
Lakers have dangled their pick (7), Kings too (8) and Suns are DTF (14,18,27) so while Top 5 is a bit of a stretch, it would be variably easy for the Pels to trade into the draft and fill a need.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:54 am to That's BS
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a defensive SF is more important than a shooter.
I think that's the question I was trying to ask.
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Doug is more than just a shooter sitting out at the 3point line waiting for kickouts. He's a flat out scorer. I think he'll be decent defensively...probably still below average as a 1 on 1 defender,
Yeah, his defense will probably be a little below NBA average, but he's a great scorer.
I know everyone wants a 3&D SF, but I was wondering which of those things was the more important thing to have.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:59 am to Suntiger
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I know everyone wants a 3&D SF, but I was wondering which of those things was the more important thing to have.
We've seen how 1 way players can cripple you with Aminu. I think we'd be better off with an adequate 2 way player like a Martell Webster, than another Aminu or even a SF version of Ryno.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:22 pm to Suntiger
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I know everyone wants a 3&D SF, but I was wondering which of those things was the more important thing to have.
With the roster as is, they don't need another scorer. Holiday, Evans, Gordon, Davis, and Anderson will all be needing touches. If McDermott is just there as a spot up guy, how valuable is he?
The lineup numbers (caveat: limited minutes) with Aminu and Anderson the past 2 years aren't bad at all, same with the numbers for Aminu/Anderson/Davis. Even Aminu/Anderson/Evans was a good lineup. Aminu isn't the answer at starting 3, but he can work if paired selectively and smartly. A similar but better player should work with this roster too.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:56 pm to LosLobos111
But can a Starting Frontcourt of Love and AD hold up?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:55 pm to Suntiger
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David Aldridge ?@daldridgetnt
Hearing the Pelicans making a concerted effort to get into the first round.
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