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re: Kushner expects other moves before Rondo deal is official
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:14 pm to TigerintheNO
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:14 pm to TigerintheNO
yeah. I get that completely.
I disagree on Porzingis being strictly a 4. and I can see some benefit to having Anderson play next to Porzingis. but if it's basically Anderson for Melo, I would balk too.
they've got Porzingis for another 6 years. whatever they do, it needs to be about rebuilding that relationship
I disagree on Porzingis being strictly a 4. and I can see some benefit to having Anderson play next to Porzingis. but if it's basically Anderson for Melo, I would balk too.
they've got Porzingis for another 6 years. whatever they do, it needs to be about rebuilding that relationship
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Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:17 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:That's a simple-minded way to look at it. The Knicks are the ones who want him gone. Carmelo wants to leave too and has a no-trade clause so he gets to choose where he wants to be traded to.
The only power the Knicks have is ownig the rights to Carmelo Anthony. So like...all the power.
The Knick's options are very limited.
You're acting like they want to keep him and are reluctant to let him go. No. They want to move him.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:26 pm to PrimeTime Money
They aren't forced to take a bad trade though. Thus, they hold some power.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:32 pm to PrimeTime Money
This entire convo boils down to how badly/quickly the Knicks want Melo gone and when do they think they will get the most for him.
If they want him gone sooner, then the Knicks have much less leverage and he's going to the Rockets with a small possibility to the Cavs.
If they can wait, the Knicks have much more leverage and they can either get a better deal at the deadline or wait until next season and trade him to the highest bidder (unless his no trade clause includes next season as well - which is information that I'm unaware of)
If they want him gone sooner, then the Knicks have much less leverage and he's going to the Rockets with a small possibility to the Cavs.
If they can wait, the Knicks have much more leverage and they can either get a better deal at the deadline or wait until next season and trade him to the highest bidder (unless his no trade clause includes next season as well - which is information that I'm unaware of)
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:36 pm to DeionDeion
His no-trade clause isn't a year-to-year thing, he has it for the life of his contract.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:51 pm to DeionDeion
quote:It's been reported they want him gone as soon as possible and are highly motivated to get a deal done.
This entire convo boils down to how badly/quickly the Knicks want Melo gone and when do they think they will get the most for him.
It has also been reported that the framework for a trade is already in place. They are at the "2 yard line".
They put the trade on pause after they hired the new GM because the new GM wants to convince Carmelo to expand his list of teams.
Apparently Carmelo is pissed about it because he was prepared to be traded to Houston and feels like the Knicks are playing games.
And that's where we are.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:53 pm to PelicansBay
I think this would work better, but I can't see how it would work for all teams to come away with team improvements unless we surrender a 2nd round or Houston gives away a first in order to get Melo. Then again; we're talking about New York...
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Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:53 pm to PelicansBay
quote:Ariza is Harden's boy and is also good friends with Chris Paul and is a big reason why Paul chose to come to Houston. He's not going anywhere.
Melo will get plenty of minutes as a small ball PF; I wouldn't start him at PF. Have you payed attention to the size of SF's and PF's in the West? Just look at our divisions SF's: Parsons, Kiwi, Barnes, Ariza. Melo is a SF, if they are able to keep Ariza (I don't see how they can), he would likely start at PF. Unless you feel more comfortable with Melo matched up with the AD, LA, & Dirk's in our division. Seems like it would put more wear and tear on Melo's aging body to start at PF.
Carmelo is perfectly capable of playing PF. I'd argue he's better at the 4 than the 3.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 5:58 pm to bayouboy318
quote:The Suns are rebuilding. They have no reason to take Trevor Ariza unless it was a salary dump and they could get a pick out of it. And the Rockets aren't looking to get rid of Ariza's contract as his contract is cheap. So the part with Ariza going to the Suns makes no sense.
I think this would work better, but I can't see how it would work for all teams to come away with team improvements unless we surrender a 2nd round or Houston gives away a first in order to get Melo. Then again; we're talking about New York...
Also, the Knicks are rebuilding and want young players. They aren't interested in taking on a player like Anjinca and his contract.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 6:13 pm to Ed Osteen
Posted on 7/15/17 at 6:44 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Ariza is Harden's boy and is also good friends with Chris Paul and is a big reason why Paul chose to come to Houston. He's not going anywhere.
I don't see how Houston could get Melo now (if they don't include Ariza). I understand, Ariza is friends with Harden and CP3; the numbers don't seem to fit, unless he's included. If they hold off till later in the year, PJ Tucker could replace Ariza (as a player traded). If they want an immediate trade (like Melo wants), their options are limited. They are already basing their trade around Ryno (who has a bad contract), I don't know if they can realistically expect a Melo trade without giving up something valuable (Ariza's expiring).
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 6:53 pm to PelicansBay
quote:Uhh, yes they do. The Rockets have several unguaranteed contracts to use to match salaries.
I understand, Ariza is friends with Harden and CP3; the numbers don't seem to fit,
This trade works from a salary perspective:
I didn't necessarily make the trade fair for all parties... it was just a basic trade to show that the Rockets have the numbers to make the trade without giving up Ariza or any of their rotation players besides Anderson.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 6:59 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 7/15/17 at 7:10 pm to PelicansBay
I've been trying to tell y'all that although originally he said he would waive his no trade clause for Houston and Cleveland, he has come to prefer Houston and was expecting to be traded to the Rockets.
Woj just came out with a new article about the whole trade and where the teams are at:
Woj just came out with a new article about the whole trade and where the teams are at:
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Carmelo Anthony expecting Knicks to resume trade talks, sources say
As New York Knicks president Steve Mills and general manager Scott Perry pursue a meeting with Carmelo Anthony in the coming days, league sources tell ESPN that team officials will find a 10-time All-Star player counting on the franchise to carry out its previously agreed upon mandate to trade Anthony to the Houston Rockets.
Anthony has been willing to waive his no-trade clause for Houston and Cleveland, but in recent weeks he has begun to prioritize a trade to the Rockets to join Chris Paul and James Harden over the Cavaliers and LeBron James, league sources said.
Houston is determined to complete a deal for Anthony and believe he's only focused on playing with the Rockets next season, league sources said.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 7:53 pm to PrimeTime Money
Since it looks like we probably shouldn't be involved in the Melo trade, what will we be involved in?
Troy Daniels is an underwhelming move that makes sense. Ajinca and a 2nd for Daniels then resign Cunningham?
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Pelicans Podcaster? @SilverAndMac 37 minutes ago
I think most people will be underwhelmed by the next series of moves. But again, it all goes as AD/DC goes
The next series of moves will involve shedding salaries/adding to bench. Rondo will be the best "new" player the Pels acquire this offseason
That said, I think this will be the most talented roster ever fielded by Hornets/Pels
Troy Daniels is an underwhelming move that makes sense. Ajinca and a 2nd for Daniels then resign Cunningham?
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:06 pm to TigerinATL
I definitely won't be underwhelmed if one of those salaries we shed is Asik
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:08 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Rondo our biggest move? That's disappointing after all of the trade talk.
Since it looks like we probably shouldn't be involved in the Melo trade, what will we be involved in?
quote:
Pelicans Podcaster? @SilverAndMac 37 minutes ago
I think most people will be underwhelmed by the next series of moves. But again, it all goes as AD/DC goes
The next series of moves will involve shedding salaries/adding to bench. Rondo will be the best "new" player the Pels acquire this offseason
That said, I think this will be the most talented roster ever fielded by Hornets/Pels
Troy Daniels is an underwhelming move that makes sense. Ajinca and a 2nd for Daniels then resign Cunningham?
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:18 pm to NOSHAU
ESPN trade machine is showing the Pels at $6.7 million away from the tax which is in line with the estimates I came up with so it looks like it's up to date. Assuming they want to bring back Cunningham I don't see another move to make. Maybe a 2nd gets you an Ajinca/QPon straight dump for cap space and then you have enough room to sign Afflalo and Cunningham. But short of that Ajinca for Daniels seems like the most likely trade to give you enough breathing room to add a shooter and resign Cunningham.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:19 pm to MrPel
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Agree but he wanted out after the Cousins trade. He doesn't want to be here-
Eating humble pie rotting on the Bucks bench and having no interest should change that knowing he will have a defined role.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:28 pm to Fun Bunch
if cunninghm bolts, how about replacing him with wiltjer?
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