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Just give it to me straight. Is the loss of Solomon Hill ruining the season?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:34 pm
I was getting pumped for the season until I heard about the curse knocking out Hill most of the season. What are the Pelicans doing to address this loss? Is this going to significantly impact our playoff chances? The injuries are so frustrating I honestly wouldn't complain if the franchise moved if this BS continues
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:41 pm to schwartzy
No. The main and really only thing Hill brought to the table was being able to single cover top wings. They more or less replaced that ability by signing Tony Allen. As much time as we spend fretting about the middle and bottom of the roster, it's still all about Fire and Ice and if we get the better versions of Jrue and Rondo.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:52 pm to TigerinATL
It is a huge loss considering how much we paid him. Constantly overpaying players who can't even stay on the court.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
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As much time as we spend fretting about the middle and bottom of the roster, it's still all about Fire and Ice and if we get the better versions of Jrue and Rondo.
That is correct, and why these minimum signings, and doing something stupid like stretching Ajinca or Asik to add a minimum guy, will make very little difference to the teams success and ability to retain Cousins for the future.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:00 pm to schwartzy
i want to see Darius Miller stroking the 3 ball.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:19 pm to schwartzy
I'm just not a huge fan of the Tony Allen signing. He'll be great on D but I'm terrified of the spacing.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:51 pm to Cheesy Beaver
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He'll be great on D but I'm terrified of the spacing.
I do not understand why so many people think Allen makes the spacing worse. Cousins isn't on the court in this shot, but it is post trade from a game at Utah in late March.
Dante shot 39.2% from 3 and look how much space they're giving him. Even if Hill improves this year they would still lay off him and pack the paint like they did with Dante. If you were scheming a defense would you be more concerned with any of the Pels wings shooting an open 3 or AD/DC getting the ball against a single defender? The only way there wouldn't be 4 guys in the paint is if they added shooters who had earned reputations like Korver and Ryno.
On this play Hill actually gets a pass from AD and bricks a 3. If you have Allen there instead of Hill I'd have him cut to the paint to move defenders while Dante side steps up court a bit and have AD pass it to Dante for an open 3.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:26 pm to TigerinATL
except Dante is already open...
Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:33 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Its baffling to me that this is the argument you've been going with.
If you were scheming a defense would you be more concerned with any of the Pels wings shooting an open 3 or AD/DC getting the ball against a single defender? The only way there wouldn't be 4 guys in the paint is if they added shooters who had earned reputations like Korver and Ryno.
Yes, teams will absolutely shift all of their focus to AD/DC. Which is why putting shooters out there is the most obvious move in the world. They don't need to be Korver-level, pulling guys from AD/DC. Whole point is to take advantage of the wide open looks they're gonna get. There's a wide swath of competent shooters between Kyle Korver and Tony Allen.
Our offense sucked last year. The idea that Tony Allen doesn't make it worse, but maintains the status quo, is of no comfort.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:38 pm to cgrand
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except Dante is already open...
If that's Boogie then yeah, he could get it to Dante. AD chose to make the shorter, quicker pass that didn't have a defender in the way by going with Hill. I suppose an alternate version instead of Allen cutting would be passing to Allen and have Allen touch pass it to Dante. We've seen a lot of footage of AD working on his handle this offseason, I wonder if he's improved his passing too.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:48 pm to eyeran
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Its baffling to me that this is the argument you've been going with.
I think you're misunderstanding my argument. I'm just against overreacting to a lateral move. If you thought the offense was going to be terrible before Hill got injured, then feel free to continue with that opinion after replacing Hill with Allen. The only improvement to the offense Allen might bring is Miller starting.
I very much am pro adding shooters. Before the Hill injury I thought it was possible that our bench units would likely be better and more balanced than our starting 5 because they probably wouldn't have both Rondo and Hill in them.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:55 pm to TigerinATL
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I suppose an alternate version instead of Allen cutting would be passing to Allen and have Allen touch pass it to Dante.
I mean that's pretty obvious...
out to hill, swing to Dante, fire away
I know what your point is I think and it's valid, but you're describing how allen can help get somebody open who's already unguarded. that's not a contribution
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:05 pm to cgrand
allens contributions will be on defense and defense only, he's as one dimensional as players come and always has been. any lineup he is in is gonna be 4 on 5 on offense
I love the way he plays and I just wish to hell theyd have been able to balance the roster so that his role could be exploited
I love the way he plays and I just wish to hell theyd have been able to balance the roster so that his role could be exploited
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:28 pm to cgrand
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you're describing how allen can help get somebody open who's already unguarded. that's not a contribution
My suggestions on how to "utilize" him on offense was to pull like a trapping guard to clear out defenders and pass the ball as soon as he got it. That is not me trying to paint him as a contributor. But Plan A was to have a similar offensive liability so I just don't understand where all the disappointment in Tony Allen is coming from.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:11 pm to eyeran
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Which is why putting shooters out there is the most obvious move in the world.
Any shooter that they afford would be dog shite on defense, so it would probably be a zero sum game.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:34 pm to eyeran
It is remarkable. After watching 20 games of Cousins/Davis, shooting was #1 on the wish list this summer. They added Miller and Clark but also Rondo and Allen.
:shrug:
:shrug:
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:00 pm to corndeaux
Ian Clark says hello.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:55 am to gregory6592
you're dumb
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:51 am to corndeaux
2016 Pels opening night roster
Ajinca, Asik, Cunningham, Davis, Diallo, Evans, Frazier, Galloway, Hield, Hill, Holiday, Jones, Moore, Pondexter, Stephenson.
Pondexter injured. Evans injured. Holiday family issues,
Pels projections - 38 wins.
2017 Pels almost opening night roster
Ajinca, Allen, Asik, Clark, Cousins, Crawford, Cunningham(?), Davis, Diallo, Hill, Holiday, Jackson, Miller, Moore, Rondo.
Hill and Jackson injured.
Projections?
38,5 or so..
And my favourite Duncan saying - I project 38 wins, the talent level is not high apart from 2-3. Rondo is terrible. But best case if all will click together - it migh t be even 50-51 wins.
Spring 2018 - Duncan: "As I expected DMC-AD clicked together, Pels had a fine season".
Ajinca, Asik, Cunningham, Davis, Diallo, Evans, Frazier, Galloway, Hield, Hill, Holiday, Jones, Moore, Pondexter, Stephenson.
Pondexter injured. Evans injured. Holiday family issues,
Pels projections - 38 wins.
2017 Pels almost opening night roster
Ajinca, Allen, Asik, Clark, Cousins, Crawford, Cunningham(?), Davis, Diallo, Hill, Holiday, Jackson, Miller, Moore, Rondo.
Hill and Jackson injured.
Projections?
38,5 or so..
And my favourite Duncan saying - I project 38 wins, the talent level is not high apart from 2-3. Rondo is terrible. But best case if all will click together - it migh t be even 50-51 wins.
Spring 2018 - Duncan: "As I expected DMC-AD clicked together, Pels had a fine season".
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:01 am to pawel
yeah. it was surprising to hear him say something along the lines of "their top 3 is as good as any in the league"
skepticism with this franchise/team is fair at this point. they just havent earned the benefit of the doubt. and the roster is thin. Prada had a good line--- something like "there a lot of ifs for this team. i hope it all works, but it just hasnt recently for them."
do think a lot of the negativity is focused in the front office/ownership (bad contracts, roster, medical weirdness, etc) more than on court.
skepticism with this franchise/team is fair at this point. they just havent earned the benefit of the doubt. and the roster is thin. Prada had a good line--- something like "there a lot of ifs for this team. i hope it all works, but it just hasnt recently for them."
do think a lot of the negativity is focused in the front office/ownership (bad contracts, roster, medical weirdness, etc) more than on court.
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