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re: Ish to Sixers per Stein.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 9:37 am to corndeaux
Posted on 12/25/15 at 9:37 am to corndeaux
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Very leery of what Demps does next
As well you should be. Not only is he in Win Now mode, he seems to have made some serious miscalculations on how Gentry ready this roster was. I hope he realizes how much we need 2 way players or those picks could be used on guys that have fallen out of favor in part because they suck on offense, Oladipo and MKG. In the last Woj podcast they talked about how Jason Kidd with personnel power had made a mess of the roster, I wonder if there's any way you could convince him Ryno, Asik and a pick were worth Middleton, Mayo and Henson or Plumlee.
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Posted on 12/25/15 at 9:50 am to TigerinATL
mayo and Henson maybe
they seem very dependent on Middleton though I haven't seen many of their games. Is he playing well?
evidently they really miss pachulia
they seem very dependent on Middleton though I haven't seen many of their games. Is he playing well?
evidently they really miss pachulia
Posted on 12/25/15 at 9:54 am to cgrand
Middleton isn't realistic but they detailed all of Kidd's failings and basically asked when will they kick him far enough upstairs that he can't do as much harm. So I'm hoping you can get one over on him while he's still in control.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
one thing I did not know about Kidd is he is like in the top 5 all time in salary earned in the NBA. He seems likely to be a potential owner but the bucks just got sold. Maybe those guys will bring him in
Posted on 12/25/15 at 11:06 am to corndeaux
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It's a good move for the Pels
I agree
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Ish can't play with Evans
Not many can effectively. We need to make moves that allow us to move Evans.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 2:28 pm to Pedro
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Ish ain't worth a first dude
What's $10k worth to Bill Gates? Now what's that worth to you? Worth is abstract! Diff strokes for diff folks! Logic says go after a first in this situation. .....at least I think so!
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:21 am to Jester
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We need to make moves that allow us to move Evans.
Moving Evans would have been (will be?) the far more interesting and bold move. Is Demps ready to pull the plug on his "vision?" Will ownership allow for trades that punt on this season?
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I hope he realizes how much we need 2 way players or those picks could be used on guys that have fallen out of favor in part because they suck on offense, Oladipo and MKG
Yep. I like MKG. But seeing how Charlotte has played on both sides of the court without him thus far is eye opening.
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He seems likely to be a potential owner but the bucks just got sold. Maybe those guys will bring him in
One of their two main owners, Lasry I believe, is/was Kidd's long time financial advisor. They are tight and that was instrumental in getting him to jump ship to Milwaukee. I think Kidd has the run of the place until something goes terribly wrong.
I'd see if you could get Kidd to give up Henson and a flyer on Ennis for Evans. Evans is big and he can't shoot, so he fits the Milwaukee profile. Plus he's another PG that Kidd can "rehab."
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:26 am to corndeaux
The question about Demps willingness to part with Evans is huge. He's got so many moves invested in that one player, even more than 2 picks for Jrue.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 9:14 am to TigerinATL
Yeah.
Say they do Evans for Henson. Then Henson becomes the 5 with Davis. The history of the Davis 5 under Dell Demps:
They would have given up the chance to draft Noel with another lottery pick, traded Lopez (for Evans), sent out a 3rd 1st for Asik, resigned him for ~4/$45, and then shipped Evans out for Henson.
Talk about running in circles.
Say they do Evans for Henson. Then Henson becomes the 5 with Davis. The history of the Davis 5 under Dell Demps:
They would have given up the chance to draft Noel with another lottery pick, traded Lopez (for Evans), sent out a 3rd 1st for Asik, resigned him for ~4/$45, and then shipped Evans out for Henson.
Talk about running in circles.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 9:32 am to corndeaux
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Talk about running in circles.
You missed a lap
2012 Draft
#10 Austin Rivers
#14 John Henson
There are definitely moves that can be made to get this roster headed in the right direction, but the people making the moves need to know what the right direction is.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 9:46 am to TigerinATL
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You missed a lap
2012 Draft
#10 Austin Rivers
#14 John Henson
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:01 am to corndeaux
I remember at the time Henson being called a poor man's AD some people still thought it was the best pick to make, but to think he could play center next to AD or think we needed a backup PF with Ryno seemed crazy at the time. That being said, with 20/20 hind sight you draft Henson instead of Rivers, don't trade for Tyreke or Asik, trade Vasquez and Lopez for 1sts and you've got the same core, lots of cap space and 3 more 1sts.
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:08 pm to TigerinATL
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That being said, with 20/20 hind sight you draft Henson instead of Rivers, don't trade for Tyreke or Asik, trade Vasquez and Lopez for 1sts and you've got the same core, lots of cap space and 3 more 1sts.
A lot of people didn't need hindsight for that. I never understood why the likes of Bill Simmons hated the Holiday trade because of Tyreke. The Holiday trade was solid. The Tyreke moves were shitty alone, much less with Holiday on board. Tyreke is where Dell went full retard.
Remember when everyone blamed Monty for drafting Rivers and gave Dummy Dell a pass on it?
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:54 pm to Jester
But I'm saying in hind sight knowing that the league has shifted towards small ball making a guy like Henson viable as your "starting" center. That was a much less controversial move at the time than resigning Gordon or acquiring Tyreke. Not a lot of people wanted Rivers, there just weren't many clamoring for Henson instead.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:10 pm to TigerinATL
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I remember at the time Henson being called a poor man's AD some people still thought it was the best pick to make, but to think he could play center next to AD or think we needed a backup PF with Ryno seemed crazy at the time. That being said, with 20/20 hind sight you draft Henson instead of Rivers, don't trade for Tyreke or Asik, trade Vasquez and Lopez for 1sts and you've got the same core, lots of cap space and 3 more 1sts.
20/20 hindsight you draft Draymond Green. But I get you point.
Truth be told a lot of experts hated Rivers at the time but most fans saw it inevitable with Monty and Demps's connection to Doc and Austin.
Frankly people defend the Jrue trade but the Jrue trade signaled the strategy Demps chose, which was to rush the rebuild. Which is where all this began to go south.
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:24 pm to TigerinATL
I wonder if Atlanta would ever consider something like Reke and Ajinca for Schroeder and Splitter. I know Atl loves Schroeder, but I think he's gonna get paid when he hits FA.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:53 pm to TigerinATL
I don't think anyone was clamoring for Henson specifically but clearly he was an alternative to rivers as BPA at 10 ( as was harkless, jones, Leonard, et al).
i still think blowing that pick was worse than the Evans deal but whatever, neither move has worked
i still think blowing that pick was worse than the Evans deal but whatever, neither move has worked
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:50 am to TigerinATL
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knowing that the league has shifted towards small ball
That's the funny thing to me. Demps seems to understand and want that. He put together 3 pricey guards/ball handlers for a reason. He brought in Gentry for a reason. Yet, he has never seemed to grasp that in order to play small, you need non corpse level wings and you need flexibility in your bigs.
His rosters have never made a ton of sense. But his choices in these spots have been baffling over the years, especially if he had a small ball vision in his head.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:02 am to cgrand
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neither move has worked
And this is where we are. Nothing the team has done since drafting Davis, in a big picture sense, has worked. The likely high point of this core (45 wins, an 8 seed, and 1st round sweep, buoyed by an all time season from Davis) is not much of an accomplishment.
Can add resigned Asik (though he has been looking better lately) to a questionable deal and hired Gentry to run systems that don't match the talent to the list.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:20 am to corndeaux
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neither move has worked
And this is where we are. Nothing the team has done since drafting Davis, in a big picture sense, has worked. The likely high point of this core (45 wins, an 8 seed, and 1st round sweep, buoyed by an all time season from Davis) is not much of an accomplishment.
Can add resigned Asik (though he has been looking better lately) to a questionable deal and hired Gentry to run systems that don't match the talent to the list.
Well, hell, when you put it that way.
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