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Is this team closer to being good than we think?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:36 am
It's hard to find anything positive to say about this team this year, but MM unearthed some very interesting stats he talked about on the BSS podacast:
The 2 theories he threw out as to why were 1) the team is so thin they just run out of gas in the 2nd half, and 2) Opponents adjust at halftime, shut down our offense, and not scoring prevents us from getting set on defense.
I dug into the November 1st and 2nd half stats a bit and found a few more things.
In the first half Asik and Ajinca combine for 19.8 minutes, 4.1 pts, and 6.8 rebounds. In the 2nd half they combine for 15.1m/2.8p/3.5r and it's only Asik who loses minutes 11.4 in the first half vs. 7 in the 2nd where Ajinca averages 8.4 and 8.1
Why is this significant? Because Asik and Ajinca lead the team in on/off defensive rating. On the court with Asik the team's DRtg is 100.3, with Ajinca it's an even better 99.1. When Asik is off the court the DRtg falls to 108, Ajinca 109. That's an 8 and 10 point swing in defense. AD is the only other player in that ball park with a 9 point swing.
Now let's talk grease fire, or maybe tire fire. Dante Cunningham and one other player have a similar DRating swing only in the opposite direction. Everyone else is in the ball park of 5 or less difference in On/Off DRtg for November. Dante goes from 113 on to 101.2 off or -12. Anyone care to guess the other player who helps the team to a terrible 115.3 DRtg when he's on the court and it falls, nay plummets, to a 91.3 when he's off? The man with the On/Off DRtg of -24 in November is none other than Ryan Anderson. He also is the only player where the team has a positive NetRating when he's off the court. The team is +6.4 with no Ryno on the court. Everyone else's Off court Net Rating in November is negative suggesting the team is worse when they are off court.
Statistics don't tell the whole story, and Ryan Anderson isn't the basketball devil or the only reason we keep losing, but these stats do seem to suggest more Asik/Ajinca and less Ryno would be an improvement.
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Michael McNamara ?@McNamara247 10 hours ago
7 Games in November, Pels Defensive Rating:
First Half - 94.3
Second Half - 118.3
Basically, the Pelicans first half defense is the best in the league by a wide margin. Second half defense is the worst in the league
The 2 theories he threw out as to why were 1) the team is so thin they just run out of gas in the 2nd half, and 2) Opponents adjust at halftime, shut down our offense, and not scoring prevents us from getting set on defense.
I dug into the November 1st and 2nd half stats a bit and found a few more things.
In the first half Asik and Ajinca combine for 19.8 minutes, 4.1 pts, and 6.8 rebounds. In the 2nd half they combine for 15.1m/2.8p/3.5r and it's only Asik who loses minutes 11.4 in the first half vs. 7 in the 2nd where Ajinca averages 8.4 and 8.1
Why is this significant? Because Asik and Ajinca lead the team in on/off defensive rating. On the court with Asik the team's DRtg is 100.3, with Ajinca it's an even better 99.1. When Asik is off the court the DRtg falls to 108, Ajinca 109. That's an 8 and 10 point swing in defense. AD is the only other player in that ball park with a 9 point swing.
Now let's talk grease fire, or maybe tire fire. Dante Cunningham and one other player have a similar DRating swing only in the opposite direction. Everyone else is in the ball park of 5 or less difference in On/Off DRtg for November. Dante goes from 113 on to 101.2 off or -12. Anyone care to guess the other player who helps the team to a terrible 115.3 DRtg when he's on the court and it falls, nay plummets, to a 91.3 when he's off? The man with the On/Off DRtg of -24 in November is none other than Ryan Anderson. He also is the only player where the team has a positive NetRating when he's off the court. The team is +6.4 with no Ryno on the court. Everyone else's Off court Net Rating in November is negative suggesting the team is worse when they are off court.
Statistics don't tell the whole story, and Ryan Anderson isn't the basketball devil or the only reason we keep losing, but these stats do seem to suggest more Asik/Ajinca and less Ryno would be an improvement.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:40 am to TigerinATL
Someone show this shite to Uncle Al. He seems to forget that Asik exists after halftime.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:09 am to TigerinATL
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Statistics don't tell the whole story, and Ryan Anderson isn't the basketball devil or the only reason we keep losing, but these stats do seem to suggest more Asik/Ajinca and less Ryno would be an improvement.
That's a bit surprising to me. Anderson has looked pretty sharp on offense the last few games. I know he's hard to hide on defense, but I didn't think he would harm the ratings that much.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:26 am to TigerinATL
Efficiency Diff. Rankings:
26. Rockets: -6.9
27. Grizzlies: -8.2
28. Nets: -9.3
29. Pelicans: -9.3
30. 76ers: -14.0
they are who they are right now, one of the three worst teams in the league
26. Rockets: -6.9
27. Grizzlies: -8.2
28. Nets: -9.3
29. Pelicans: -9.3
30. 76ers: -14.0
they are who they are right now, one of the three worst teams in the league
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:26 pm to TigerinATL
Stats definitely show Ryno kills us on D, but someone will need to pick it up on the offensive side of the ball. Pels are a mess, but it looks like AD is back to being AD. Hopefully he can elevate these guys.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:35 pm to Solo
from mahoney, SI
quote:
Nothing much has changed in regard to how good the Pelicans could ultimately be. Their long game, however, has been compromised by more than mere injury. Better health would shore up New Orleans's rotation. More important, though, would be the return of the Pelicans' competitive mettle. A playoff hopeful sitting at 1-9 has to find a way to give a damn about the details. Anything less will see the West pass the Pelicans by, unforgiving of the fate they made for themselves.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:39 pm to TigerinATL
Great post.
From a look at lineup data, it looks like last year- Anderson and any non Davis big is a -20 Net rating.
With Davis, the defense is at 1.10 PPP, where it has been the past 3 years, but the offense is only 1.0 PPP. Well below the roughly 1.15 they did under Monty.
The $64K; can Anderson and Asik/Ajinca make it work at all? Seems like the combo of slow feet, poor agility and athleticism means any pairing will be doomed.
From a look at lineup data, it looks like last year- Anderson and any non Davis big is a -20 Net rating.
With Davis, the defense is at 1.10 PPP, where it has been the past 3 years, but the offense is only 1.0 PPP. Well below the roughly 1.15 they did under Monty.
The $64K; can Anderson and Asik/Ajinca make it work at all? Seems like the combo of slow feet, poor agility and athleticism means any pairing will be doomed.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:04 pm to corndeaux
Makes me wonder what a guy like patrick patterson would do with them rather than ryno.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:19 pm to LosLobos111
Cunningham and Ryno have both been god awful on D this year.
I wonder what our options for upgrade this year are. Could we get Morris from the Suns? He is decent on defense and can shoot open 3s but not much else.
We cannot afford to play Ryan when he is missing shots. I hate to say it, but he needs a shorter leash. No more 20 foot fadeaways, please.
I wonder what our options for upgrade this year are. Could we get Morris from the Suns? He is decent on defense and can shoot open 3s but not much else.
We cannot afford to play Ryan when he is missing shots. I hate to say it, but he needs a shorter leash. No more 20 foot fadeaways, please.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:43 pm to saintsfan92612
This team often goes into games with 9 or 10 active players and has had more back to backs than anyone. It's no wonder they run out of gas in the second half - on both ends.
It's not the WHOLE reason, but those first and second half splits are unlike anything I have ever seen. It shows they are capable of good defense. Just not for an entire game with so few players
It's not the WHOLE reason, but those first and second half splits are unlike anything I have ever seen. It shows they are capable of good defense. Just not for an entire game with so few players
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:31 pm to Crewz
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It's not the WHOLE reason, but those first and second half splits are unlike anything I have ever seen
Much more dramatic this year, but the same thing happened last year until roughly around the ASB.
Pre ASB, 102 DRating in the first half (Net +2), 110 in the 2nd (Net -2).
Post ASB 102 DRating in the first (Net +2), 103 in the 2nd (Net +3).
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:40 pm to corndeaux
It's almost like after we got QPon/DC/Cole and never had to play fringe players things got better. It seems so hard to believe that a team can be made up of only rotation worthy players.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:48 pm to TigerinATL
This is why it bothers me so much when people say injuries are not an excuse.
A lack of talent is the #1 reason teams lose games. And for the people who point to the guys we do have, understand that most of them are being asked to do things we don't want them to do. Example: Ryno in his best years was assisted on over 50% of his 2-pt attempts. This year? A career low 31.7%.
Gordon has to try and create more too. So, yes we do have them, technically. But we can't get the best versions of them. So, we are missing a ton of guys and have a lesser version of the guys we do have.
I admit, they should have 3 wins or so, but the problems start with the injuries. Let's see this team healthy before we write the book on who they are.
A lack of talent is the #1 reason teams lose games. And for the people who point to the guys we do have, understand that most of them are being asked to do things we don't want them to do. Example: Ryno in his best years was assisted on over 50% of his 2-pt attempts. This year? A career low 31.7%.
Gordon has to try and create more too. So, yes we do have them, technically. But we can't get the best versions of them. So, we are missing a ton of guys and have a lesser version of the guys we do have.
I admit, they should have 3 wins or so, but the problems start with the injuries. Let's see this team healthy before we write the book on who they are.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:51 pm to Crewz
Injuries have hurt us, but coaching has, as well. Last year had very similar roster issues to start the season, but the team found a way to compete and not get embarrassed night in, night out.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:54 pm to Jester
But those guys had played in that system prior to injuries hitting them. They also played other injured teams.
I have been thinking a lot about this lately. It might have been the worst possible time to have a ton of injuries. You have guys taking on brand new roles every night in two systems they have no experience with. Meanwhile, every team they play is healthy because the grind hasn't hit yet.
Have these same exact injuries in February for 10 games, and I don't think they go 1-9. Literally, the worst possible time for this.
I have been thinking a lot about this lately. It might have been the worst possible time to have a ton of injuries. You have guys taking on brand new roles every night in two systems they have no experience with. Meanwhile, every team they play is healthy because the grind hasn't hit yet.
Have these same exact injuries in February for 10 games, and I don't think they go 1-9. Literally, the worst possible time for this.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 5:30 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Is this team closer to being good than we think?
No
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:26 pm to Crewz
quote:
But those guys had played in that system prior to injuries hitting them. They also played other injured teams.
I have been thinking a lot about this lately. It might have been the worst possible time to have a ton of injuries. You have guys taking on brand new roles every night in two systems they have no experience with. Meanwhile, every team they play is healthy because the grind hasn't hit yet.
Have these same exact injuries in February for 10 games, and I don't think they go 1-9. Literally, the worst possible time for this.
The sunshine is certainly being pumped here.
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