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re: Is Cornerstone our best player?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:55 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:55 am to TigerinATL
Utah might be a landing spot for Anderson. Trevor Booker has been poor, Gobert/Favors might be able to cover for Anderson, and Utah could use more shooting. Target Hood and Burks.
Phoenix is another potential Anderson spot. Morris has been bad, is a malcontent, and they are committed to Bledsoe/Knight. Chandler can help Anderson and Phoenix has a ton of perimeter guys- Tucker, Booker, Goodwin, Warren. Don't think the Pels want any part of Morris, but maybe sneak into a 3 teamer
Both teams will likely be fighting for a playoff spot. Maybe they pull the trigger for an extra push
Phoenix is another potential Anderson spot. Morris has been bad, is a malcontent, and they are committed to Bledsoe/Knight. Chandler can help Anderson and Phoenix has a ton of perimeter guys- Tucker, Booker, Goodwin, Warren. Don't think the Pels want any part of Morris, but maybe sneak into a 3 teamer
Both teams will likely be fighting for a playoff spot. Maybe they pull the trigger for an extra push
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 10:57 am
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:05 am to Jester
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Look for contenders with expiring contracts or young guys not getting useful PT.
sounds great
who ya got?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:07 am to TigerinATL
Ryan trade destinations
Sac-Karl loves space and Ryan gives him that and he prevents players from doubling Boogie
Return: Ben Mac has been highly disappointing and has not developed but Sac is a grave yard for guards. He's found athletic with a good shooting form.
Det- Same as Karl he's trying to mold the Pistons into the old Magic teams.Has previously coached Ryan and is the exact player you want to put next to Drummond and have for Reegie to space the floor. They have nothing to really offer us maybe Morris. They also may have a incentive to trade with their cap being tied up.
Tor- Same as Det we can get back Ross
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Wash- They want KD and and are trying to save space for him so maybe they are hesitant. But we may be able to get a first from them.
Suns- they've been wanting him and pretty we can get their first.
Gordon trade destinations
Sac- need a shot creator and would be great for Rondo and Boogie
Mem- Desperate need of shooters
Bos- need a scorer
Char
Sac-Karl loves space and Ryan gives him that and he prevents players from doubling Boogie
Return: Ben Mac has been highly disappointing and has not developed but Sac is a grave yard for guards. He's found athletic with a good shooting form.
Det- Same as Karl he's trying to mold the Pistons into the old Magic teams.Has previously coached Ryan and is the exact player you want to put next to Drummond and have for Reegie to space the floor. They have nothing to really offer us maybe Morris. They also may have a incentive to trade with their cap being tied up.
Tor- Same as Det we can get back Ross
D
Wash- They want KD and and are trying to save space for him so maybe they are hesitant. But we may be able to get a first from them.
Suns- they've been wanting him and pretty we can get their first.
Gordon trade destinations
Sac- need a shot creator and would be great for Rondo and Boogie
Mem- Desperate need of shooters
Bos- need a scorer
Char
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:11 am to cgrand
quote:
sounds great
who ya got?
Nothing. Silly hypotheticals that don't affect the team. Let the GM figure it out and I'll let you know if I agree with the moves he makes.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:14 am to 504ByrdGang
OKC reunite with Monty/shore up their second unit.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:18 am to Boomshockalocka
They'd have to dump a lot of salary for okc. They have morrow who's having a down year but a lower volume eg
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:29 am to htran90
I like Gordon and hope they re-sign him for 3 more years. He's been very productive and is playing good basketball this season.
Ryno looks much better than last year as well but he will command a decent asking price probably. Not sure they will be able to keep him around. Maybe it's better to just shed the salary and keep him till the end of the year and have more flexibility in the offseason.
Ryno looks much better than last year as well but he will command a decent asking price probably. Not sure they will be able to keep him around. Maybe it's better to just shed the salary and keep him till the end of the year and have more flexibility in the offseason.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:30 am to Tigerfan_95
quote:he has an expiring contract you dingleberry.
He has a 15 mill salary. We would be lucky to get anything for him other than another overpaid player. The sixers would be one of the few teams that could afford giving up a pick and taking on his salary and you know they won't trade a pick.
A team that a) needs an expiring contract to unload salary or b) needs a SG or bench weapon for the playoffs would take his services at some point this season.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:33 am to 504ByrdGang
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Bos- need a scorer
Actually, I think eg would fit on that team pretty well, and they have so many assets.
I think Avery Bradley would be perfect on this team, efficient shooter that has nasty d. They have a crowded front court too, some good big defenders that get no minutes, and a ton of picks.
Now we just have to convince them eg is good....
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:34 am to Ryan3232
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he has an expiring contract you dingleberry.
A team that a) needs an expiring contract to unload salary or b) needs a SG or bench weapon for the playoffs would take his services at some point this season.
like who?
a) the cap is going to skyrocket next year...nobody needs to unload salary THIS YEAR
b) the contenders that can use him are maxed out...taking on 4/5 of his 15MM would equal huge tax penalties
the only way gordon is getting traded is if 15MM comes back. and that aint going to be 15MM attached yo any player that you want long term
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:54 am to cgrand
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the only way gordon is getting traded is if 15MM comes back.
Technically $12.4 for teams over the $84.7 million tax line, and only $10.3 for those that would be beneath it after the trade. But even at $10.3 it's hard to find a good match. The Grizzlies could trade you Jeff Green and Matt Barnes, but then they have no SF. The Kings could send you McLemore, Belinelli and Butler, but then you're committed to 2 more years of Marco at $6.5 each. Ryno definitely would be easier to move.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:12 pm to cgrand
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a) the cap is going to skyrocket next year...nobody needs to unload salary THIS YEAR
Nobody needs to make any move. That said, the skyrocketing cap means everyone will have a handful of money. When everyone has a handful of money, the guys with two handfuls have the leverage.
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b) the contenders that can use him are maxed out...taking on 4/5 of his 15MM would equal huge tax penalties
If someone is "maxed out," they can't take back 3/4 of 15MM. They'll be limited to a net increase of about 3MM (off the top of my head). So, they'd have to send back something in the ballpark of 12MM.
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the only way gordon is getting traded is if 15MM comes back. and that aint going to be 15MM attached yo any player that you want long term
Not really, you could bring back $12MM as I described above. Frankly it may be $12MM in expiring trash, but that should come with a draft pick attached.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:26 pm to TigerinATL
right, i was using round numbers on my phone
the point is the same, which you make well...i cannot imagine anybody is going to trade for eric gordon unless they can send back trash which the pels shouldnt accept
my prediction is they'll either let him expire, or re-sign him to a new 3 yr deal. i'd be fine with either one
what this team needs is young, cheap talent...as dell has squandered the resources that would have gotten them that thus far, i think you try to trade anderson and be happy with a draft pick in return, probably in a 3 team deal
the point is the same, which you make well...i cannot imagine anybody is going to trade for eric gordon unless they can send back trash which the pels shouldnt accept
my prediction is they'll either let him expire, or re-sign him to a new 3 yr deal. i'd be fine with either one
what this team needs is young, cheap talent...as dell has squandered the resources that would have gotten them that thus far, i think you try to trade anderson and be happy with a draft pick in return, probably in a 3 team deal
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:43 pm to cgrand
My fantasy/realistic Gordon trade is to OKC for Morrow, Singler, Waiters (who we send off to a 3rd team like Philly), and a future 1st.
Get a pick and I think when everyone is healthy, Morrow can provide the spot up shooting we need. And that is all Gordon will be asked to do when everyone returns. The problem is that we might not get that pick for a while because OKC owes a few picks, but I will take their 2nd and Charlotte's 2nd in 2016 in the meantime, and get the 1st whenever they are allowed to give it.
Get a pick and I think when everyone is healthy, Morrow can provide the spot up shooting we need. And that is all Gordon will be asked to do when everyone returns. The problem is that we might not get that pick for a while because OKC owes a few picks, but I will take their 2nd and Charlotte's 2nd in 2016 in the meantime, and get the 1st whenever they are allowed to give it.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 1:01 pm to Crewz
i think the pick is the fantasy part of that
why would OKC do that if the salaries match? presti could just say take the players or we will look elsewhere. i dont understand the situation there with morrow, cant be defense because gordon doesnt play any either
if there's no pick, i'd just as soon deal with gordon's future after the season
why would OKC do that if the salaries match? presti could just say take the players or we will look elsewhere. i dont understand the situation there with morrow, cant be defense because gordon doesnt play any either
if there's no pick, i'd just as soon deal with gordon's future after the season
Posted on 11/19/15 at 1:03 pm to Crewz
Weird to start this thread the morning after a 6-20 fg including 1-9 from 3pt range game with 2 blown wide open layups. Come on guys. He is the same below average player hes been for the last 3 years. Hes just getting more shots up due to injury. No team is going to give up an asset for EG.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 1:13 pm to BadTyreke
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Weird to start this thread the morning after a 6-20 fg including 1-9 from 3pt range game with 2 blown wide open layups. Come on guys. He is the same below average player hes been for the last 3 years. Hes just getting more shots up due to injury. No team is going to give up an asset for EG.
He's the only viable option on offense right now with Jrue limited and Tyreke sidelined (talking about guards). Then AD was out yesterday as well.
Without any other great ball handler, he had to do a shite ton of work and the shots didn't fall yesterday. With a relatively "healthy" squad, he was shooting 40+% the last 2 years combined. He's a pure shooter and has been one of the best last year. The #'s of shots increased, but you can't fault his fg% to be lower without looking at everyone on this team's FG% has dropped as well.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 1:18 pm to BadTyreke
quote:
He is the same below average player hes been for the last 3 years.
He still can't finish, and he'll never be the guy he was in LA, but the stats say he as productive as ever as a Hornican.
PER
2016 15.5
2015 12.7
2014 14.9
Per 36 Scoring
2016 19.0
2015 14.6
2014 17.3
His TOV% has been cut almost in half while to a very low 8.1% while his usage rate has increased from last year. His career average TO% is 13.1%
Getting his Per 36 Points back close to 20 is pretty important for him to be seen as a scoring guard rather than just a shooter. If you're looking for scoring and shooting and his salary fits the assets you're willing to give up to get one, you could easily talk yourself into the guy that was 2nd behind Korver in 3s last year.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:05 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
He still can't finish, and he'll never be the guy he was in LA, but the stats say he as productive as ever as a Hornican.
PER
2016 15.5
2015 12.7
2014 14.9
Per 36 Scoring
2016 19.0
2015 14.6
2014 17.3
His TOV% has been cut almost in half while to a very low 8.1% while his usage rate has increased from last year. His career average TO% is 13.1%
Getting his Per 36 Points back close to 20 is pretty important for him to be seen as a scoring guard rather than just a shooter. If you're looking for scoring and shooting and his salary fits the assets you're willing to give up to get one, you could easily talk yourself into the guy that was 2nd behind Korver in 3s last year.
And his 3 ball hasn't really been falling yet. If that starts dropping like it has, his scoring and PER will jump considerably.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:32 pm to Jester
I think you trade Anderson.
Holiday is killing us though as we will be stuck with his contract for another season after this one. The most bull shite thing in the league is his chronic injury hidden in that trade.
A minutes restriction for a guy getting $11 million and costing two picks.
Holiday is killing us though as we will be stuck with his contract for another season after this one. The most bull shite thing in the league is his chronic injury hidden in that trade.
A minutes restriction for a guy getting $11 million and costing two picks.
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