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Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:33 am to Balsamic_duck
I like wc, but the more I watch this team and the more I think we need to upgrade our backup 4/5.
We however should not push all in yet. This team when healthy is forming and growing organically - don't frick it up.
We however should not push all in yet. This team when healthy is forming and growing organically - don't frick it up.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:57 am to htran90
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We however should not push all in yet. This team when healthy is forming and growing organically - don't frick it up.
If they don't make a big trade the Pels will have 3 1sts in the next 2 years. It seems like they should be able to draft a 3rd big that fits well with JV and Larry, who don't need to be upgraded as much as supplemented by a mobile, defensive big that can catch and dunk.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:03 am to TigerinATL
JV is an expirer as of now and Nance will be an expirer next season. We don't know if they're returning yet. And guys like Naji is a FA this year and Jose is up for a new contract next year. Trey and BI will follow after.
The window seems incredibly small. I just don't see how they can sit on it and wait. Griff has always been a step slow to make moves though. Seems attached to the players. All this depth we built will be gone before you know it.
The window seems incredibly small. I just don't see how they can sit on it and wait. Griff has always been a step slow to make moves though. Seems attached to the players. All this depth we built will be gone before you know it.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:10 am to supe12sta12z
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JV is an expirer as of now and Nance will be an expirer next season. We don't know if they're returning yet. And guys like Naji is a FA this year and Jose is up for a new contract next year.
quote:Correct
The window seems incredibly small. I just don't see how they can sit on it and wait.
This is why you don't wait and see. This is likely the deepest this team will ever be, and we'll slowly lose depth as the years go by.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:19 am to supe12sta12z
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JV is an expirer as of now and Nance will be an expirer next season. We don't know if they're returning yet. And guys like Naji is a FA this year and Jose is up for a new contract next year. Trey and BI will follow after.
The window seems incredibly small. I just don't see how they can sit on it and wait. Griff has always been a step slow to make moves though. Seems attached to the players. All this depth we built will be gone before you know it.
Yep. Enough waiting around. Our assets and depth slowly bleed away with time. There aren't any KD warrior level teams. It might be our best chance with this group
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:37 am to supe12sta12z
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The window seems incredibly small. I just don't see how they can sit on it and wait. Griff has always been a step slow to make moves though. Seems attached to the players. All this depth we built will be gone before you know it.
I don't think that Griff has been slow. He probably works the phones harder investigating possible trades than any other GM in the league. But, until this season, he hadn't been able to see our "big 3" together to see how other players fit and don't fit.
Now, he finally has the data he needs to see that JV does not fit with the starters. Our 1st and especially our 3rd quarters have been terrible with that group.
I expect Griff to act. Maybe the right player never comes available, but I'm sure that's the #1 goal.
Another useful trade would be packaging two of Naji, Jose, Dyson, and Herb into one elite creator (and 3-pt shooter) at point guard. I expect this to be Griff's secondary goal.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:53 am to TigerinATL
Based on where guys like Kessler, Williams, Duran, and lively went - I agree we should be able to get one.
But I think that's where we are weakest and where we need to improve all things considered. We're trotting out guys like jre and zeller playing meaningful minutes.
First things first we need to salary dump Kira to get under the tax.
But I think that's where we are weakest and where we need to improve all things considered. We're trotting out guys like jre and zeller playing meaningful minutes.
First things first we need to salary dump Kira to get under the tax.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:55 am to htran90
quote:Preferably, it's a consolidation trade and going into the tax if needed.
First things first we need to salary dump Kira to get under the tax.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:55 am to supe12sta12z
I’d like to take Nance/ Kira/ Liddell and replace them with just 1 more PF.
We could take back 8-10mil and give a contract to Ryan and 1 of JR/ Seabron for the playoffs
Extend Val
Find your next center with him on the roster. We are 1 of few teams without 2 legit centers in rotation. No offense to Zeller obviously you know what I mean.
We could take back 8-10mil and give a contract to Ryan and 1 of JR/ Seabron for the playoffs
Extend Val
Find your next center with him on the roster. We are 1 of few teams without 2 legit centers in rotation. No offense to Zeller obviously you know what I mean.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:57 am to Dantheman504
I highly doubt this team even considers trading Nance not just due to his improved on court play but also due to his off court leadership.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:06 am to Dantheman504
quote:Do we move Zeller into the rotation with significant minutes as the backup 5?
I’d like to take Nance/ Kira/ Liddell and replace them with just 1 more PF.
We could take back 8-10mil and give a contract to Ryan and 1 of JR/ Seabron for the playoffs
Extend Val
Find your next center with him on the roster. We are 1 of few teams without 2 legit centers in rotation. No offense to Zeller obviously you know what I mean.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:09 am to shel311
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Do we move Zeller into the rotation with significant minutes as the backup 5?
Maybe he's thinking about Lauri as that PF, and then we just play "small" most of the time. That's the only way it makes sense.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:10 am to Pels_Yaz
Larry Nance Jr is 31 y/o with injury history and averaging 41.5 games a year the last 4 years.
We don’t ever win a championship if we value off court leadership on the decline > healthy basketball players with potential
Is Larry Nance Jr in our long term plans? No! Cut him loose. So sick of “well this guy is a good person/ good presence”.
We have like 10 players under 26 y/o that all need minutes and plenty draft picks.
Stop wasting money and time
We don’t ever win a championship if we value off court leadership on the decline > healthy basketball players with potential
Is Larry Nance Jr in our long term plans? No! Cut him loose. So sick of “well this guy is a good person/ good presence”.
We have like 10 players under 26 y/o that all need minutes and plenty draft picks.
Stop wasting money and time
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:12 am to shel311
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Do we move Zeller into the rotation with significant minutes as the backup 5?
Limited yes you’d probably have to. Or depending on the PF replacement they may be able to play a Nance roll. Either a younger Nance type/ completely different player/ or a similar player that’s expiring.
(Assuming healthy) you’d have a rotation of Trey/ Zion/ Val/ probably some Herb t if we have Dyson/ Naji/ Ryan available at SF to spread the court. Not including whatever replacement player you get.
Wether it’s someone who will be here for several years or gets us out of an extra year of Nance it’s necessary. And the role Val plays is more important than Nances.
Not saying Nances role is easier to replace buts Val’s is more important to ALWAYS have. Nance role you can fill and fight though the struggles.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:13 am to GOP_Tiger
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Maybe he's thinking about Lauri as that PF, and then we just play "small" most of the time. That's the only way it makes sense.
Or maybe ... wow.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:16 am to shel311
I just can't see them sending out Nance. Yes he's got injury issues, but in addition to leadership, the best versions of the Pels the last 2 years seeming to involve a healthy Nance. They aren't going to trade him.
That being said, would JV + Claxton as your 2 headed center be better than JV + Larry? I want to say yes since Claxton is bigger, still switchable, and a better rebounder. But looking at his games played, he missed a lot of games his first 3 years. Does anyone know if that's injuries or if he just hadn't cracked the rotation yet?
EDIT: Nevermind, I thought Claxton had one more year left under $10 million, but he's expiring and will probably get paid too much to combine with JV.
That being said, would JV + Claxton as your 2 headed center be better than JV + Larry? I want to say yes since Claxton is bigger, still switchable, and a better rebounder. But looking at his games played, he missed a lot of games his first 3 years. Does anyone know if that's injuries or if he just hadn't cracked the rotation yet?
EDIT: Nevermind, I thought Claxton had one more year left under $10 million, but he's expiring and will probably get paid too much to combine with JV.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:18 am to GOP_Tiger
Even a Nance for Olynyk expiring swap.
Dump the salary, get a replacement that helps/ doesn’t hurt and clears space for next year.
Or find an actual replacement.
Either way Nance isn’t in the long term plans and that has to be accepted. We are sitting here having convos about if we can keep all of Trey/Dyson/ Jose/ Naji etccc and he’s still on the roster with cap space.
Those are the moves that need to be made.
Dump the salary, get a replacement that helps/ doesn’t hurt and clears space for next year.
Or find an actual replacement.
Either way Nance isn’t in the long term plans and that has to be accepted. We are sitting here having convos about if we can keep all of Trey/Dyson/ Jose/ Naji etccc and he’s still on the roster with cap space.
Those are the moves that need to be made.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:19 am to supe12sta12z
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JV is an expirer as of now and Nance will be an expirer next season.
that's why i say to go after a big on a rookie deal that looks like someone who can take JV's place next year.
Walker Kessler or Mark Williams. Both of these guys have shown they are huge impacts defensively on their crappy teams.
We talk about going into the tax to get better. I say use these 1sts we have to get better. The draft is a crapshoot, and while we have drafted well lately, we are due for a dud. Spending a pick or two on more of a sure thing is the route i think we should be looking at right now. We need a young 5, and we can't wait 2-3 years for them to be a contributor, or to see if they even can be a contributor. We have 3 picks in the next two years. Trade two of them if necessary.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:21 am to Dantheman504
At some point you have to rip the bandaid off. You make those moves first before you clear house or decide to trade your big players.
If trading Nance and filling his spot is that crucial then we are already fricked and wasting time.
If trading Nance and filling his spot is that crucial then we are already fricked and wasting time.
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