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re: I'm not sure how this team improves via trade
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:13 pm to Terrific Tales
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:13 pm to Terrific Tales
Jarrett Allen is not a 0 offensively. Shel is absolutely right about that
I just don’t think if we’re in a mindset where we are keeping Zion regardless (which at this juncture I think we probably should) that we should be trading for a center who has no threat from the 3 point line
I don’t even mean like he’s a bad shooter, I mean Jarrett Allen has 0 3P attempts for the whole season
I just don’t see that being a good move
There’s a reason that Larry has been working so hard on his 3PT shot and JV as well. 3pt spacing is the entire plan for a Zion team, and it should be
As far as our window and contention, I still think we have a lot more to show. I don’t think Trey is even close to 100% yet, probably like 70%, and we’ve only seen like 80% Zion
Ideally the plan for the future is that Trey continues to get stronger and put on muscle (he’s got the frame for it) and work a lot on his rebounding and he is the center of the future, and then you build around Trey and Zion
But for this season I really don’t see a good move
I just don’t think if we’re in a mindset where we are keeping Zion regardless (which at this juncture I think we probably should) that we should be trading for a center who has no threat from the 3 point line
I don’t even mean like he’s a bad shooter, I mean Jarrett Allen has 0 3P attempts for the whole season
I just don’t see that being a good move
There’s a reason that Larry has been working so hard on his 3PT shot and JV as well. 3pt spacing is the entire plan for a Zion team, and it should be
As far as our window and contention, I still think we have a lot more to show. I don’t think Trey is even close to 100% yet, probably like 70%, and we’ve only seen like 80% Zion
Ideally the plan for the future is that Trey continues to get stronger and put on muscle (he’s got the frame for it) and work a lot on his rebounding and he is the center of the future, and then you build around Trey and Zion
But for this season I really don’t see a good move
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 4:14 pm
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:34 pm to GOP_Tiger
Did you watch Jonas make sabonis his bitch? Yeah he’s not the most athletic but he plays his arse off all the time, every game, and he has been better on D this year. He also now has legit 3 point shot to go with the fact that he’s a double double machine. He seemed to grab every rebound against Sacramento.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:28 pm to LSUPilot07
I don’t think trading Jonas is an option.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:32 pm to ghost2most
Trey is a spot up 3 point shooter and a dunker. He doesn’t come off screens, nor can create his own shot. He needs more work on dribble drives and finishing around the basket with defenders in his face. His defense is below average. I’d trade him all day while he has high value right now. Hawkins and Daniels to me can’t be touched. Daniels defense is All-NBA level, Hawkins is a young CJ clone but more athletic. They are key to the future. I doubt we make any moves before the deadline as much as I’d love to get a rim protecting athletic center. I believe Griffin likes Nance in that position.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:25 pm to lsu_baseball11
I think you need to look at Jonas as:
Will he re-sign at 15M or under?
If not then you upgrade him.
Will he re-sign at 15M or under?
If not then you upgrade him.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:31 pm to LSUglassman1
I would not be disappointed if the Pels stand pat with this roster. Play out the season, and lets see what happens. There's only one team I fear in the west is OKC. Memphis not far behind.
There is only one trade I would make, and that's if the other team would entertain it. Straight up trade that makes the Pelicans a serious contender for the title. Zion for Bam. Trust me. Zion is playing better, but it seems to me that when he sits the Pels play better. More ball movement. Bam is a force. A tenacious defender. Runs the court, durable, has a great inside game, and mid range game. I wouldn't make the trade if I was Pat Riley, but I would make the call if I was David Griffin.
Please, never ever consider trading Dyson Daniels, Herb Jones, Hawkins, Trey. It's hard to believe Pel fans, but this team is very close to contending for the west crown.
There is only one trade I would make, and that's if the other team would entertain it. Straight up trade that makes the Pelicans a serious contender for the title. Zion for Bam. Trust me. Zion is playing better, but it seems to me that when he sits the Pels play better. More ball movement. Bam is a force. A tenacious defender. Runs the court, durable, has a great inside game, and mid range game. I wouldn't make the trade if I was Pat Riley, but I would make the call if I was David Griffin.
Please, never ever consider trading Dyson Daniels, Herb Jones, Hawkins, Trey. It's hard to believe Pel fans, but this team is very close to contending for the west crown.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:49 pm to Taylor31
I think if both teams are healthy then I can't see the Pel's beating the Clippers or Denver.
Grizz won't make it and OKC are on the same tier as the Pels.
In a 7 game series I think they match up with everyone close enough to think that they don't need to make any changes.
If there isn't a sure thing trade available then just get under the tax so that you aren't a repeater and hope that the core they have can stay helathy and build.
Both BI and Trey don't need to be decided until 2025, so its only JV and Naji that are free agents.
Both JV and Naji should be retained and then used in trades to upgrade next season using their salary to match another core piece coming in via trade.
This team is close.
Grizz won't make it and OKC are on the same tier as the Pels.
In a 7 game series I think they match up with everyone close enough to think that they don't need to make any changes.
If there isn't a sure thing trade available then just get under the tax so that you aren't a repeater and hope that the core they have can stay helathy and build.
Both BI and Trey don't need to be decided until 2025, so its only JV and Naji that are free agents.
Both JV and Naji should be retained and then used in trades to upgrade next season using their salary to match another core piece coming in via trade.
This team is close.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:04 pm to Aussie_Pelican
Fact, for the past two seasons the Pels having given the Nuggets all they can handle. Nikola beat the Pels twice with amazing clutch shots. Home and away games. The Pels do not fear the Clippers. They're good, but aging. Anyway, if healthy the Pels should make us fans proud during the playoffs.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:07 pm to Taylor31
A 7 game series is a different ball game.
They won't beat the Clips or Denver 4 times.
They won't beat the Clips or Denver 4 times.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:11 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:Yes, did you watch him get outplayed by Zubac two days before that? Unfortunately, the NBA doesn't let us play the Kings every single game.
Did you watch Jonas make sabonis his bitch?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:12 pm to LSUglassman1
quote:
Trey is a spot up 3 point shooter and a dunker. He doesn’t come off screens, nor can create his own shot. He needs more work on dribble drives and finishing around the basket with defenders in his face. His defense is below average. I’d trade him all day while he has high value right now.
Insane. Trade him for what? A shooter? Zion needs more shooting around him, not less, if we're to have any chance in the playoffs.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
This response was about if or who was to trade. I never said I wanted to trade Trey, but if I had to chose one to help get an athletic center who can rim protect I’d chose him. I explained my reasoning why which you obviously disagree. I’m not putting Trey up on a pedestal just yet. He has work to do with his dribble drive and finishing contested at the rim. He’s not smooth in that department. If you want to pay him a big contract because he can shoot deep 3’s “definitely helps open up the inside” then so be it.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:51 pm to LSUglassman1
quote:Oh my
Trey is a spot up 3 point shooter and a dunker. He doesn’t come off screens, nor can create his own shot. He needs more work on dribble drives and finishing around the basket with defenders in his face. His defense is below average. I’d trade him all day while he has high value right now. Hawkins and Daniels to me can’t be touched
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:51 pm to LSUglassman1
Double post
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:57 pm to Taylor31
quote:You know the Nuggets are in the West, right?
There's only one team I fear in the west is OKC. Memphis not far behind.
quote:Hard pass on trusting you
Straight up trade that makes the Pelicans a serious contender for the title. Zion for Bam. Trust me.
quote:We're 4-3 in the 7 games he's sat. 18-12 when he plays.
Zion is playing better, but it seems to me that when he sits the Pels play better
quote:You don't win in the NBA without a #1.
Bam is a force. A tenacious defender. Runs the court, durable, has a great inside game, and mid range game. I wouldn't make the trade if I was Pat Riley, but I would make the call if I was David Griffin.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 10:00 pm to Taylor31
quote:2-3 vs the Nuggets the past 2 seasons.
Fact, for the past two seasons the Pels having given the Nuggets all they can handle.
The fact that you're more worried about Memphis than Denver, I don't know that anyone will "trust you"
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:48 am to shel311
So what are some trades that yall would do?
If Allen was available I would do JV, Kira, Pels 24 and Lakers 24/25. I would imagine we might even have to swap Kira for Dyson. I think it would take an overpay to pull Allen. At which point I don’t think I’d do it.
Would yall do JV + pels 24 1st for Wendell Carter? I would hate to lose JV’s consistency and Carter has been injury prone but Carter is younger, on a fantastic contract and can space the floor better. I probably pull the trigger on that
If Allen was available I would do JV, Kira, Pels 24 and Lakers 24/25. I would imagine we might even have to swap Kira for Dyson. I think it would take an overpay to pull Allen. At which point I don’t think I’d do it.
Would yall do JV + pels 24 1st for Wendell Carter? I would hate to lose JV’s consistency and Carter has been injury prone but Carter is younger, on a fantastic contract and can space the floor better. I probably pull the trigger on that
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:00 am to shel311
quote:
Oct/Nov which was the 1st 16 games so nearly the same as the 13 games I mentioned above, BI's TS% was .571/.572 in each month. But for Dec/Jan it's .606/.615.
I mean in December and January he’s got CJ and Trey playing offense with him. That means more passes he makes end up in assists and it’s easier for him to get better shots when he has those guys around him.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:11 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:
Would yall do JV + pels 24 1st for Wendell Carter? I would hate to lose JV’s consistency and Carter has been injury prone but Carter is younger, on a fantastic contract and can space the floor better. I probably pull the trigger on that
No that dude is hurt a lot!
He averages 45 games a year. F that.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:20 am to SaintEB
When this team is hitting on all cylinders, it’s truly tough to beat. I
know that’s a generalization, but it’s true.
know that’s a generalization, but it’s true.
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