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re: I'm not sure how this team improves via trade
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Jarrett Allen is who I hoped Jaxson turned into be. In theory, Allen is a great fit next to Zion. I'd love to see Zion with a true rim runner.
Sad thing is, if Griff didn’t pull the trigger on Steven Adams, and was patient. He could have had jarret Allen for the same compensation. I made a thread about it at the time.
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:37 am to shel311
I don't see Dyson as a valuable piece in a trade. The multiple first aren't going to be more than mid round picks so I don't see it as high value. They're going to have to include another young guy and possibly a core rotational guy if they want an impact guy.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:38 am to supe12sta12z
Bucks pick and Lakers pick may tempt folks...
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:40 am to 50_Tiger
quote:What would you realistically propose that Utah would consider?
You do whatever you can to get Lauri and go all in on these 3 years. After that the team wont exist as currently configured.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:43 am to NOSHAU
Trey and Hawkins without a doubt would have to go if you brought in Lauri.
as i pointed out before, they have 1st round picks coming out of their arse, so i dont' know why they would want more.
as i pointed out before, they have 1st round picks coming out of their arse, so i dont' know why they would want more.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:55 am to MrBarry
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Trey and Hawkins without a doubt would have to go if you brought in Lauri.
No way in hell I'm giving up Trey + assets for Lauri. And I like Lauri more than most, that's who I wanted in the Lonzo trade. Lauri isn't going to average 23 and 9 on this team.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:03 pm to MrBarry
We are at the point where about half the league has no control of their picks for 6-7 years while others like Utah, OKC, and San Antonio control a ton of picks.
That puts those three teams in a position to control the draft for quite a while, especially if they start turning some of those picks into future picks so that they get players and/or move around in the draft to get who they want.
We are ALSO at the point where so many picks are tied up for years that there aren’t many teams willing or able to make an AD / Harden / Durant / Gobert / Lillard style trade and tie up their draft for years.
Teams either can’t do it (not enough picks / control) or they aren’t close enough to winning it all to mortgage their future right now.
That puts those three teams in a position to control the draft for quite a while, especially if they start turning some of those picks into future picks so that they get players and/or move around in the draft to get who they want.
We are ALSO at the point where so many picks are tied up for years that there aren’t many teams willing or able to make an AD / Harden / Durant / Gobert / Lillard style trade and tie up their draft for years.
Teams either can’t do it (not enough picks / control) or they aren’t close enough to winning it all to mortgage their future right now.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Not blaming you here but Lauri is worth wayyyyyy more than Trey in terms of trade value.
No way in hell I'm giving up Trey + assets for Lauri. And I like Lauri more than most, that's who I wanted in the Lonzo trade. Lauri isn't going to average 23 and 9 on this team.
I'm all for inquiring about Lauri but I imagine the asking price and subsequent bidding war will have his price be at a spot I wouldn't want us to win.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:19 pm to MrBarry
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The Cavs are slightly better defensively when he's not in the lineup this year.
Last year he had a -.5 DRtg difference off the court compared to on, so bascially he made no difference to their defense.
Last year in the playoffs the Cavs were a +18.9 DRtg better with him on the bench losing 4-1 to the Knicks.
Yes, Jarrett Allen is a poor fit on the Cavs (just as JV is a poor fit for us), because they need to go all in on Evan Mobley at center. That's why Allen might end up being available.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:32 pm to shel311
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Not blaming you here but Lauri is worth wayyyyyy more than Trey in terms of trade value.
I know his trade value is higher, he's the better player right now.
If you trade for Lauri, you I guess drop Herb to the bench. Lauri probably averages 16-17 ppg with Zion, BI, CJ, and Jonas. On the other hand you insert Trey into the starting lineup and give him 33 mpg that Lauri gets (7 mpg more than he is getting now), he is at least averaging 16-17 ppg.
Does Lauri bring you that much added benefit elsewhere to justify giving up Hawkins, picks, and added salary? Because offensively you're not gaining much if you were to insert Trey into the starting lineup as opposed to Lauri.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Lauri would be coming in to be the starting 5, not starting with Jonas.
We'd still need a big body bench 5, as well as keeping Larry.
We'd still need a big body bench 5, as well as keeping Larry.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:51 pm to MrBarry
Why can’t we we turn Trey into a 5? Not as a starter but a closer. He has he height he just needs another 15 pounds and he is a center. Jonas and Larry will get the most minutes until crunch time and we also ramp up minutes for Trey at 5 during playoffs. It allows Herb to keep his minutes as well
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Yes, Jarrett Allen is a poor fit on the Cavs (just as JV is a poor fit for us), because they need to go all in on Evan Mobley at center. That's why Allen might end up being available.
so.....what if we offered Trey and picks for Mobley and he was our 5?
One of the Cavs big issues is shooting, and Mobley isn't a shooter.
And having Trey at the 4 instead of Mobley might actually make Allen look better on defense.
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Thanks to 3-point barrage, Cavaliers averaging 120 points without Darius Garland, Evan Mobley
And it's working. In the nine games without Garland and Mobley, while attempting more than seven extra 3s per game, the Cavs have been averaging 120.4 points, up from their season-long average of 113.1.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:04 pm to PrayingMantis
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Why can’t we we turn Trey into a 5? Not as a starter but a closer. He has he height he just needs another 15 pounds and he is a center. Jonas and Larry will get the most minutes until crunch time and we also ramp up minutes for Trey at 5 during playoffs. It allows Herb to keep his minutes as well
This is how i feel about our future as a contender.
Zion is going to have to be able to guard Jokic and AD and Embiid and whatever other 250+lb center that is on the court in cruch time. Zion weighs way too much not to be able to do this, and if he could do this effectively, in cruch time, then it puts us at an enormous advantage offensively.
I was impressed seeing him hold his own on those two possessions against Sabonis a few weeks ago. We need to see more of that, b/c that's our future as a contender. You get him to do that and having a undersized 5 will work just fine, as long as we have a 3rd backup big with some size.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:04 pm to BigPerm30
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Only thing I see is trying to dump salary with Kira. If he can’t get in when we’re up by 50 what’s the point of having him on the roster.
I can't see any team wanting to take on Kira's salary, even for something like a second-round pick.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:04 pm to PrayingMantis
Not good enough rebounder and doesn't have the skill/nuance on defense to play the 5 full time.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:08 pm to supe12sta12z
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Not good enough rebounder
Maddening
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:26 pm to MrBarry
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Lauri would be coming in to be the starting 5, not starting with Jonas.
We'd still need a big body bench 5, as well as keeping Larry.
The same line of thought applies. But now you need him to bring even more value since you're taking a little hit at rebounding. With Zion, BI, and CJ, he's not going to average much more points per game than what Jonas gives you now and not more than what Trey could give you with starter minutes.
If this was a team that didn't have CJ, then sure, make a big move and sacrifice your key young talent and go for a win now move. This current roster doesn't get THAT much better with Lauri on it.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:33 pm to shel311
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What are you trying to improve?
The overall team
Come on man. You don't seriously think I didn't know that the discussion revolved around improving the team?
What about the team? Shooting, defense, post play, activity,.....What are you trying to improve ABOUT the team? What do you feel is lacking?
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I don't think anyone truly thinks we can beat a Denver or a Boston, so upgrades should at the very least be explored.
Is there a player available that instantly puts NOLA in a position to compete with Denver or Boston? If not, then nothing should be explored. Are we looking for something this season, or future?
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If we don't think we can comfortably beat every team in a playoff series, we should be exploring ways to improve the team.
This is a given, but i don't see a trade available that improves this team that much. Of course, I'm a message board poster, not an NBA GM.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:34 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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If this was a team that didn't have CJ, then sure, make a big move and sacrifice your key young talent and go for a win now move. This current roster doesn't get THAT much better with Lauri on it.
Think about what Boston just did.
They have Tatum and Brown (Zion and BI), went get Porzingis and Jrue, and also still have Derrick White.
Granted Jrue is averaging the least amount of points he ever has, but yes someone has to sacrifice some points.
That's two guys they added that have average 19ppg for quite some time.
I think Mobley is the much better fit than Lauri, as he'd be better averaging 15ppg and begin the defensive anchor for us, and the more you look at it, the Cavs might be better off with Trey/Allen than Mobley/Allen.
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