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re: Fletcher better put some respect on McNamara's name!
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:41 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:41 pm to TigerinATL
Actually,TigerinATL and corndeaux are consistently good, thoughtful posters. As are some other guys on the board.
And I do respect the work on BSS and TBW. It is not easy to write orignal pieces at the rate they do.
And I do respect the work on BSS and TBW. It is not easy to write orignal pieces at the rate they do.
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:50 pm to Crewz
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NOBODY understood the CBA years ago, now everyone is an expert. And if you don't give BSS and TBW a lot of credit for that, you are being dishonest. There was nothing like the info those two sites give five years ago.
We do give credit through links and citation. And I personally don't discredit you guys for the petty stuff, but it bothers a lot of people and can be a distraction when posting certain people as a source of information immediately discredits or at least colors people's view of that information. We'll stop with y'all as examples and go to Fletcher for a minute. 99% of his ideas seem ridiculous like he is indeed trolling us, yet he was more right than anyone about this season. Hope is not a plan. And he won't get a shred of credit for it because you can't say Fletcher's name without a ton of bad stuff immediately popping into people's head. Now in Fletcher's case the negativity towards him is for his outlandish opinions. But the point remains the same, your persona can easily overshadow your intellect if you allow it to.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:52 pm to VOR
The bloggers kick the ever loving sh*t out of the media guys in terms of content. That is not up for debate. The Fletch's of the world don't understand the cap, analytics, etc etc. They just spout opinions.
I'll give Mackel the Biyombo v Asik call. Would love to make that switch. His "fix" piece was downright laughable and shows me that he's like a child when it comes to the NBA.
I'll give Mackel the Biyombo v Asik call. Would love to make that switch. His "fix" piece was downright laughable and shows me that he's like a child when it comes to the NBA.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:31 am to Crewz
It's just sort of silly to be so defensive about this stuff. It's the internet- unfortunately, there will always be assholes ready to dump on you for anything you say or do. I can't begin to imagine the nonsense y'all see. Same time, you either learn to ignore most of it or you need to stop putting yourself out there.
For me, the real problems come in when there is a siege mentality- "'I'm right. Anyone who disagrees is a troll." That has happened before and it's just a waste of time. A sense of humor and perspective go a long way.
This is the NBA; the most fun and bizarre pro league. We can take it seriously and care, but we're still also talking about freaks of nature putting a ball into an arbitrarily placed hoop for insane amounts of money on a team called the Pelicans owned by a octogenarian billionaire in the middle of a nasty inheritance fight.
We get stuff like Shea Serrano's awesome Basketball and Other Things Newsletter
And Regina, where's your game at?
Or Zach freaking Lowe spending hours writing about mascots, color schemes, and courts.
For me, the real problems come in when there is a siege mentality- "'I'm right. Anyone who disagrees is a troll." That has happened before and it's just a waste of time. A sense of humor and perspective go a long way.
This is the NBA; the most fun and bizarre pro league. We can take it seriously and care, but we're still also talking about freaks of nature putting a ball into an arbitrarily placed hoop for insane amounts of money on a team called the Pelicans owned by a octogenarian billionaire in the middle of a nasty inheritance fight.
We get stuff like Shea Serrano's awesome Basketball and Other Things Newsletter
And Regina, where's your game at?
Or Zach freaking Lowe spending hours writing about mascots, color schemes, and courts.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:38 am to corndeaux
exactly
I want this team to be fun and I want reading about them to be fun. fun conversation is why I come here. Take it too seriously or get into personal attacks and petty sarcasm directed at others' opinions and it becomes not fun
Fletcher's job is to have an opinion and so far he's been spot on as to the big picture. Maybe that's just dump luck and the outcome just randomly agrees with him, but it is what it is.
I want this team to be fun and I want reading about them to be fun. fun conversation is why I come here. Take it too seriously or get into personal attacks and petty sarcasm directed at others' opinions and it becomes not fun
Fletcher's job is to have an opinion and so far he's been spot on as to the big picture. Maybe that's just dump luck and the outcome just randomly agrees with him, but it is what it is.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:40 am to Crewz
quote:Quality over Quantity...
One other thing I will say about writers - Go ahead and try to come up with thousands of words of original content every week. Yes, TigerinATL is a great poster. I have said so many times. I respect his opinion. But its a whole different thing to write 3-5 original pieces a week that nobody else is writing. Do the research, the re-writing and editing. That is a whole different game. Sometimes (often times) you have to write things you don't necessarily believe or care about. You have to stay ahead of the curve, because once you write about something that is already being discussed on a message board or on another blog, nobody cares. That is the part you gotta respect. That's the hard part. On top of that, you are always held accountable when you are wrong, because people can google and it pops right up. I am sure Tiger has been wrong hundreds of times (everybody has), but its much harder to call him out on something he was wrong about 4 months ago because its so much harder to find. ANyway, I digress...
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:42 am to VermilionTiger
quote:He is extremely lazy. Much of his info is gathered by interns or himself from twitter and online sports sites. He is very much the definition of someone who feels he is entitled.
I know a guy that works with Fletch Fletcher honestly thinks he's NOT trolling. He actually calls people who respond to his twitter posts trolls, as if his tweets are innocent I hear he's a real cool guy though
Posted on 5/27/16 at 3:13 pm to corndeaux
quote:Unfortunately, that is the BSS way. With certain of their bloggers, it has always been that way. It is a shame that Mason has started to take on that attitude lately.
For me, the real problems come in when there is a siege mentality- "'I'm right. Anyone who disagrees is a troll."
Posted on 5/27/16 at 3:38 pm to NOSHAU
That is a perception thing. They have watch parties all the time where they are incredibly open minded and have great conversations with people. I know those guys personally and they have never once claimed to know it all
But yes, they do call out really dumb people from time to time. Just like literally every single one of you on this board. What is the first thing you all do whenever 504ByrdGang posts?
Again, I ask: Why are they held to a higher standard? Like most of you, they feel like they know a lot and once in a while when an idiot comes along; they like to make fun of them. Exactly what is the difference?
But yes, they do call out really dumb people from time to time. Just like literally every single one of you on this board. What is the first thing you all do whenever 504ByrdGang posts?
Again, I ask: Why are they held to a higher standard? Like most of you, they feel like they know a lot and once in a while when an idiot comes along; they like to make fun of them. Exactly what is the difference?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 3:50 pm to Crewz
quote:We certainly do not have the personal interaction that you may have to judge them on. All we have is the tone with which they write. It is not the reader that holds them to a higher standard. It is they who act as if they are on a higher level. In the past, they acted more like "one of us" and now they act like they are better than those who read their blogs. It is the condescending tone that turns some off. I never found Mason to be like that in the past.
That is a perception thing. They have watch parties all the time where they are incredibly open minded and have great conversations with people. I know those guys personally and they have never once claimed to know it all But yes, they do call out really dumb people from time to time. Just like literally every single one of you on this board. What is the first thing you all do whenever 504ByrdGang posts? Again, I ask: Why are they held to a higher standard? Like most of you, they feel like they know a lot and once in a while when an idiot comes along; they like to make fun of them. Exactly what is the difference?
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 5:46 pm to NOSHAU
I think if you took a step back, you would see that 99% of fans are like that. Heck, people are like that. Everyone on this board thinks they know more than the guy or girl that disagrees with them in that given post
Seriously, take a step back and go objectively read any post on this board. Pick a random one. You will find Poster A making a bold claim, then Poster B comes in and pulls a "Well, actually..." Poster A takes offense and pulls his balls out, Poster B follows, and so on.
It is not limited to BSS guys on Twitter. It is every single one of us.
Seriously, take a step back and go objectively read any post on this board. Pick a random one. You will find Poster A making a bold claim, then Poster B comes in and pulls a "Well, actually..." Poster A takes offense and pulls his balls out, Poster B follows, and so on.
It is not limited to BSS guys on Twitter. It is every single one of us.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:05 pm to Crewz
That's a fair point
Posted on 5/28/16 at 8:15 am to Macintosh504
I don't agree with that at all
there are always posters with an agenda to rile people up, and those are usually quickly identified and called out
otherwise the conversation on here is generally civil and a good back and forth. Twitter on the other hand is a shitshow of personal attacks and opinion-shaming, and a whole lot of I told you so
if the Pelicans bloggers want to be known and read, regardless of whether they are getting paid, they should conduct themselves based on a higher standard than a message board post. Can't have it both ways
there are always posters with an agenda to rile people up, and those are usually quickly identified and called out
otherwise the conversation on here is generally civil and a good back and forth. Twitter on the other hand is a shitshow of personal attacks and opinion-shaming, and a whole lot of I told you so
if the Pelicans bloggers want to be known and read, regardless of whether they are getting paid, they should conduct themselves based on a higher standard than a message board post. Can't have it both ways
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:52 am to Crewz
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Again, I ask: Why are they held to a higher standard? Like most of you, they feel like they know a lot and once in a while when an idiot comes along; they like to make fun of them. Exactly what is the difference?
I don't think anyone should have a problem with that. Mason is calling out a troll; cool. Again, Mackel is an attention whore. I wouldn't waste more than 5 minutes worrying about his nonsense, but it is important to remind him and others that he is sort of dumb about these things. But that is very different than someone disagreeing and being treated with contempt.
It's happened some at BSS and it's happened at TBW. It's been better lately as everyone realized this team is clueless, but, for a while there, disagreeing with breathless coverage of what the team was doing was treated as a troll. Because "national media" slammed moves, for some people (here, blogs, wherever) it was their "duty" to defend the honor of Demps, the team, and the city itself.
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if the Pelicans bloggers want to be known and read, regardless of whether they are getting paid, they should conduct themselves based on a higher standard than a message board post. Can't have it both ways
If people want to talk hoops, then talk hoops. If they want to be outlandish and grab attention, go for it. You have to trust that readers are smart enough to figure out the difference. I would think, based on the following BSS has gotten, you are well aware of this. It's a good site with regular quality work. People notice.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:46 pm to corndeaux
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@FletcherWDSU 10m10 minutes ago New Orleans, LA
.@MasonGinsberg -
& being less arrogant would help.
If you're wrong, admit it.
You'll learn valuable life skills as you mature.
Get emmmmmmm, Fletch!
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:26 pm to mr. penguin
at Fletcher telling someone to be less arrogant Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:01 pm to mr. penguin
lol, looks like Fletch and Mason have had a serious back and forth on twitter today. Fletch is such a douche
Posted on 5/31/16 at 6:04 pm to Cap Crunch
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Fletcher Mackel ?@FletcherWDSU.@MasonGinsberg - It's not immaturity on my part, just solid advice for you. Here's more. Give Twitter a rest today. I've got work to do.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:51 pm to cgrand
Fletcher is going at it again today with a San Antonio sportscaster. Fletch sucks arse so bad
Posted on 6/1/16 at 2:02 pm to FultonReed
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Fletcher is going at it again today with a San Antonio sportscaster. Fletch sucks arse so bad
That guy is apparently Gentry's brother in law. He was mad at Fletch for criticizing the Pelicans secrecy with draft prospect meetings and Fletch's attacks against Dell and Gentry. Fletch makes sense regarding the secrecy of the meetings, but goes about it in an asinine way.
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