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re: Finally QPon News
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:05 am to DeionDeion
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:05 am to DeionDeion
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Does Asik aspire to play basketball in the future? Or is he content to just sit his arse on the bench and do nothing?
He and Ajinca were regularly having a good time together in warm ups behind Joel and David. I'm not saying he doesn't want to play but I think he is closer to a normal person than a primadona athlete and probably is ok with getting paid $10 million a year to hang out with an NBA team.
This post was edited on 7/29/17 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
People really don't get this? He is a 30 yr old big man. He has access to NBA facilities, practice with NbA players, he gets to play at least some NbA minutes and gets paid $10M+. Why would he give that up? Where would he get a better gig? Try to become a starter on another team? He knows that isn't happening. He also knows his earning power is dead and more than likely he may not even make another NBA roster.
If you know you're not going to be making big money or play in the NBA ever again, would you give up 7 figures to get minutes a year earlier in Europe? I know I wouldn't. I would just take my bench spot, make the best of it, and wait it out.
If you know you're not going to be making big money or play in the NBA ever again, would you give up 7 figures to get minutes a year earlier in Europe? I know I wouldn't. I would just take my bench spot, make the best of it, and wait it out.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:33 am to htran90
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I'm optimistic with this team, if they can make it work we can actually make noise in the playoffs. Not win a championship but some fun at the blender.
Not to pick on you because this seems to be a near concensus opinion here, but I hate this attitude.
Weird shite happens in sports. The Cavs game back from being down 3-1 and won year before last. Patriots overcame a 28-3 halftime deficit to win the SB. Bluegrass Miracle, Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson, etc.
The first step in winning a championship is believing you can win it. Maybe this team is the formula to beat GS. Maybe not, but still, what if Stef or Klay turn an ankle in game 1? What if Draymond misses a game for getting tossed? What if somebody steps up and plays the best ball of his life in the 4 wins (Jrue, Crawford, QPon?)?
All I'm saying is, as fans (and for the players as well), the goal should be a championship. If it doesn't happen, you find out what you need to do to improve in the off-season and go do it.
As a player, they should always feel like they can win any game. Of course they won't win every game, but you never just lay down and submit because another team is better on paper. You play to win and make them earn it. Never go down without a fight, and always leave everything you've got out on the floor.
This post was edited on 7/29/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:50 am to NOFOX
Teams can spend $500k on a foreign buyout, I wonder if they can spend money on a buy in? Pay a team in Turkey to offer him a deal.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:54 am to NOFOX
NOFOX trust me I'm not blind to position Asik is in. He gets paid a lot to do nothing. Sounds like a dream to some but others have goals they want to accomplish and contribute to something. Neither is better or worse (unless you're the employer) because Asik can live life however he wants. I would just think most professional athletes are more driven and goal oriented esp ones that leave their home country to play in the best basketball league in the world.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 11:15 am to DeionDeion
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I would just think most professional athletes are more driven and goal oriented esp ones that leave their home country to play in the best basketball league in the world.
How would accepting less in a buyout further his goals? The Pelicans likely represent the best situation for Asik to actually play in the NBA. He may not even make another roster and it's doubtful he earns any real minutes if he does. He will get some minutes on the Pels and more so if he holds on and AA is dumped.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 1:44 pm to Number 31
of course. you always strive for more, but if the Pels are a consistent 45-50 win, 2nd round team for the next several years, we should all be mindful of where the team has been and appreciate that success, even if it never ends up with a parade.
dont want to speak for htran, but i took his comment as meaning that the choices for team building aren't binary....either you're a title contender or you're a tank/rebuild. there is a middle path that is worth pursuing too. basically, there is nothing wrong with getting to the level of the Grizzlies or the Hawks.
dont want to speak for htran, but i took his comment as meaning that the choices for team building aren't binary....either you're a title contender or you're a tank/rebuild. there is a middle path that is worth pursuing too. basically, there is nothing wrong with getting to the level of the Grizzlies or the Hawks.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 2:17 pm to corndeaux
further to that point I think what we are seeing and what we have seen is that the CBA and soft salary cap actually make it less likely that real parity will ever be achieved
part of this is that NBA GM may be the most difficult job in sports, and it takes a very very talented person with a very talented staff to get positioned for and to achieve sustained success. there is such a level of difficulty to it that many of the CBA provisions were designed to protect teams from crippling mistakes or bad luck, and many of those have proven to do just the opposite
couple that with the increasing power of the players to dictate their teams, and you've got pockets of real success among a bigger field of roller coaster outcomes
part of this is that NBA GM may be the most difficult job in sports, and it takes a very very talented person with a very talented staff to get positioned for and to achieve sustained success. there is such a level of difficulty to it that many of the CBA provisions were designed to protect teams from crippling mistakes or bad luck, and many of those have proven to do just the opposite
couple that with the increasing power of the players to dictate their teams, and you've got pockets of real success among a bigger field of roller coaster outcomes
Posted on 7/29/17 at 2:22 pm to cgrand
in a lot of ways th CBA is like the federal tax code, so arcane and complicated and yet so ubiquitous that very smart (and very rich) people have decoded how to benefit from it, and in response it has become ridiculously burdened with layers and layers of ultraspecific amendments
I think the NBA would better be served by a hard cap and getting rid of the max salary
I think the NBA would better be served by a hard cap and getting rid of the max salary
Posted on 7/29/17 at 2:29 pm to corndeaux
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there is a middle path that is worth pursuing too. basically, there is nothing wrong with getting to the level of the Grizzlies or the Hawks.
You don't pursue mediocrity. If what you built ends up there, so be it, but the goal is to be the last team standing. I don't want to be the Grizzlies. I'd rather have a 10 year window like the Saints have had, or the Mavericks, as opposed to being a deep playoff team every year with absolutely nothing to show for it like the Grizzlies. They've made it to one conference finals, where they were swept, and the only reason they did is b/c Westbrook was hurt.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 2:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
saints have had a window for one reason, drew brees, and they still managed to tuck that up
think about how close they came to losing to MIN also...their legacy would indeed be that of the grizzlies if not for a gigantic piece of luck
think about how close they came to losing to MIN also...their legacy would indeed be that of the grizzlies if not for a gigantic piece of luck
Posted on 7/29/17 at 2:37 pm to cgrand
and just because the Griz never got that kind of luck, doesn't mean their route isn't worth pursuing. they didn't set out to be just good/not great
This post was edited on 7/29/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/29/17 at 4:16 pm to cgrand
i dont know if its the CBA itself or rather just how much impact one guy can have in the NBA. and so much of that is centered on ping pong balls.
talking with a buddy about this last week- think of baseball and Mike Trout. that dude is so unbelievably good and they've been, roughly, a .500 team during his career so far. he gets 4 at bats a game and maybe a handful of balls hit to him in CF. his WAR is absolutely absurd and yet 8-10 WAR out of 162 games isn't the same impact as Anthony Davis putting up 8-10 WS over 82 or impacting literally every single possession he is on the floor.
i dont believe parity really works for the NBA and the league shouldnt pursue it. certainly, Hayward ditching Utah is an issue, but there isnt a solution to that via the CBA, unless you abolish FA. would the league really be better off if Utah or Miami or gave him $40M/year?
star players realizing their leverage/power may actually help teams out. you're never getting away from the glamor of LA or NYC in any sport. yet, more and more of these guys want to win and aren't concerned w/ market size. if you can build a stable organization with a good rep around the league, you give yourself a chance of being on a Kyrie list of teams or getting Chris Paul to opt in and force a trade to you.
talking with a buddy about this last week- think of baseball and Mike Trout. that dude is so unbelievably good and they've been, roughly, a .500 team during his career so far. he gets 4 at bats a game and maybe a handful of balls hit to him in CF. his WAR is absolutely absurd and yet 8-10 WAR out of 162 games isn't the same impact as Anthony Davis putting up 8-10 WS over 82 or impacting literally every single possession he is on the floor.
i dont believe parity really works for the NBA and the league shouldnt pursue it. certainly, Hayward ditching Utah is an issue, but there isnt a solution to that via the CBA, unless you abolish FA. would the league really be better off if Utah or Miami or gave him $40M/year?
star players realizing their leverage/power may actually help teams out. you're never getting away from the glamor of LA or NYC in any sport. yet, more and more of these guys want to win and aren't concerned w/ market size. if you can build a stable organization with a good rep around the league, you give yourself a chance of being on a Kyrie list of teams or getting Chris Paul to opt in and force a trade to you.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 4:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You don't pursue mediocrity
come on, teddy. no one is saying anything remotely close to that.
read the sentence literally right before what you quoted. or the very first sentence of my post.
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I'd rather have a 10 year window like the Saints have had, or the Mavericks
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being a deep playoff team every year with absolutely nothing to show for it like the Grizzlies
i mean, duh. everyone would want the title. that's a no-brainer.
but you don't get that title w/o being really good and then being very lucky. the Grizz, like the Saints and Mavs, have been good for a long time. they just havent been able to get over the hump and win it all. they've battled some great teams in the playoffs. someone has to lose. shite happens.
that's the entire point of my post- there's no shame in being a consistent winner that just never quite reaches valhalla. it's not title or tank
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:29 pm to corndeaux
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Sports fandom is changing as a result of a changing media landscape. It is becoming more diverse and heterogeneous. In the process, teams are being unbundled. No longer are they the only natural destination of the fans’ attention. Players and the narratives surrounding them are at the center of our collective curiosity, particularly in the NBA. All this happens in an environment where it has become increasingly valuable?—?in economic terms?—?to aggregate the public’s attention.
Therefore, superstar athletes with big fan bases?—?which drive everything from viewership to ticket and merchandise sales?—?are more important to teams and the league than ever. Their internet-enabled autonomy and direct relationship with fans give them a lot of leverage and bargaining power. Players (and their teams) are aware of this reality. As a result, the power dynamics between teams and star players are moving in the players’ favor. They are in a stronger position than ever. I fully expect them to continue to leverage that power. Including, but not limited to, aggressively influencing on which teams they play.
goes back to another discussion we had a while back...at some point the players are going to decide they can "run" the league/a league for better terms than a 51/49 split
Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:51 pm to cgrand
QPon was named Pels' teammate of the year (NBPA award ).
His management group tweeted:
'Congrats. Well deserved. Can 't wait for the season #Pelicans'.
Maybe it is not worth anything. But maybe it is.
IMO he will remain a Pelican. In other words - we wont dump him and he might even contribute. How much? TBD
His management group tweeted:
'Congrats. Well deserved. Can 't wait for the season #Pelicans'.
Maybe it is not worth anything. But maybe it is.
IMO he will remain a Pelican. In other words - we wont dump him and he might even contribute. How much? TBD
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:58 pm to pawel
How can you be the best teammate when you haven't played since the Carter era?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:36 pm to BigPerm30
You bring in donuts every morning.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:43 pm to BigPerm30
Teammate=Member of the team
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