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re: ESPN Trade Idea: Pelicans get Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson
Posted on 1/16/15 at 2:53 pm to Spitting Venom
Posted on 1/16/15 at 2:53 pm to Spitting Venom
I'd rather that be the framework of a 3 team deal, so we could get back a couple more complimentary pieces instead of Love.
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Posted on 1/16/15 at 2:54 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah that trade makes no sense whatsoever for this team. Granted I like both Asik and Ryno.
That being said could we facilitate a third team involved and take on another stretch 4 (Ilyasova anyone)? Sure
That being said could we facilitate a third team involved and take on another stretch 4 (Ilyasova anyone)? Sure
Posted on 1/16/15 at 3:03 pm to Spitting Venom
If we had a good coach, I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.
Love is by far the best player in this trade. He's a top 10 player in the league; he is just being used terribly in CLE. His D is no bueno, but his rebounding covers some of that up. There are so few true bigs in the NBA, that an AD/Love frontcourt wouldn't get pushed around as much as people think. Also, Davis is only 21, he is still filling out. (Terrifying)
The issue is that we have a terrible coach who would have no idea how to work those two pieces together. The offense would be so damn fun to watch.
ETA: This presupposes Love signs with NOLA. If he didn't, well then the trade would be a bust.
Love is by far the best player in this trade. He's a top 10 player in the league; he is just being used terribly in CLE. His D is no bueno, but his rebounding covers some of that up. There are so few true bigs in the NBA, that an AD/Love frontcourt wouldn't get pushed around as much as people think. Also, Davis is only 21, he is still filling out. (Terrifying)
The issue is that we have a terrible coach who would have no idea how to work those two pieces together. The offense would be so damn fun to watch.
ETA: This presupposes Love signs with NOLA. If he didn't, well then the trade would be a bust.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 3:04 pm to Spitting Venom
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C Tristan Thompson
Tristan Thompson is a PF
He's smaller than both AD and Love.
Just b/c they put C next to his name doesn't mean he's a C.
As a comparison. He's slightly shorter than David West, about same weight, more athletic, no where near as polished on offense, and has a wingspan 4 inches shy of West's. In what way does that translate to C? he's a somewhat small PF.
That trade is dumb. While i'm a staunch supporter in not paying a lot for a center, we still need an actual center than can gaurd the Howards, Duncans, Gasol, Randolphs of the world, not named Steisma.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 3:07 pm to Fun Bunch
I was just thinking let Love and Thompson run up at the end of the season. If they work, look at bringing them back. What we have isnt getting it done.
It looks like AD, Reke, Jrue, and Gordon are going to be the framework of this team? Now you have all that free money to go out and get guys who best fit next to these guys.
You can maybe go after a Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol. Try and throw money at Jimmy Butler or a Draymond Green or Kwahi Leonard or KJ McDaniels. I dont even know the money details or what we will have to spend, but there are some sexy names available who would look good on our team
It looks like AD, Reke, Jrue, and Gordon are going to be the framework of this team? Now you have all that free money to go out and get guys who best fit next to these guys.
You can maybe go after a Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol. Try and throw money at Jimmy Butler or a Draymond Green or Kwahi Leonard or KJ McDaniels. I dont even know the money details or what we will have to spend, but there are some sexy names available who would look good on our team
Posted on 1/16/15 at 3:07 pm to Spitting Venom
1. If we want to really make a championship push, AD cannot leave.
2. Love's presence alone could play a major role in his decision to stay or go. Even if we lose production.
3. Tristan Thompson is a really nice add-on.
As silly as it may sound, I would ask AD what he thinks. I would make my decision based on whatever he says would make him more likely to hang around for another contract.
2. Love's presence alone could play a major role in his decision to stay or go. Even if we lose production.
3. Tristan Thompson is a really nice add-on.
As silly as it may sound, I would ask AD what he thinks. I would make my decision based on whatever he says would make him more likely to hang around for another contract.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 3:22 pm to GynoSandberg
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You can maybe go after a Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol.
If we let Love and Thompson go we'd only have about $16 million in cap space under the projected $67 million cap. Not enough for Gasol. So we trade Ryno and Asik for a Green and Koufos at best. Not terrible, but if you can't afford a Green or don't land Koufos the drop off to who you end up with is probably pretty severe. Seems like a pretty risky move with a minimal payoff. Is Green/Koufos really better than Ryno/Asik/Carroll (we'd still have the MLE).
Posted on 1/16/15 at 3:25 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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Love's presence alone could play a major role in his decision to stay or go.
We're talking about OKC acting desperate right now and they have Westbrook as KD's #2. Winning is all that matters. This coach/GM isn't ready for AD to play center, that's why they traded a pick for Asik, they expect him to be the center for at least the next few years. So if AD isn't your full time center then you now have 2 superstars at the exact same position. I agree with others that the only way you do this trade is if it leads you to a good deal from a 3rd team.
Also, Cleveland just gave Verajao a ridiculous 4/$36 extension or somewhere along those lines. Mozgov works because he's on a small enough deal to fit financially with Verajao, Asik makes too much money so I doubt they'd have interest.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:01 pm to GynoSandberg
Draymond would crush it on this team.
I'd rather throw $$ after him than Asik.
I'd rather throw $$ after him than Asik.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:17 pm to Toula
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Draymond would crush it on this team.
I'd rather throw $$ after him than Asik.
some of you need to be reminded the stiemsma center play and I'd love Draymond Green on this team.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:22 pm to Toula
It's hilarious to me how many people think this team needs a pf. Anyone who thinks Asik is the biggest problem on this team, and doesn't understand his value to AD, doesn't know anything about basketball. Unless you can get a Marc Gasol, there is no reason to get rid of Asik. Deandre Jordan is not better than Asik.
This team's biggest need is a new coach who will make this team share the ball, or if Bulls crap out in playoffs and fire Thibs, he would turn Pels into a dominant defensive team.
This team's biggest need is a new coach who will make this team share the ball, or if Bulls crap out in playoffs and fire Thibs, he would turn Pels into a dominant defensive team.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:25 pm to landrywasbeast30
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It's hilarious to me how many people think this team needs a pf. Anyone who thinks Asik is the biggest problem on this team, and doesn't understand his value to AD, doesn't know anything about basketball. Unless you can get a Marc Gasol, there is no reason to get rid of Asik. Deandre Jordan is not better than Asik.
This team's biggest need is a new coach who will make this team share the ball, or if Bulls crap out in playoffs and fire Thibs, he would turn Pels into a dominant defensive team.
CO-SIGN
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:26 pm to htran90
Green is best suited to be a stretch 4 on a team with a legit center.
Pels should be looking to steal someone like Leonard or Butler, then have a guy like Danny Green as plan b. They desperately need one of these 3 and d wing guys.
Pels should be looking to steal someone like Leonard or Butler, then have a guy like Danny Green as plan b. They desperately need one of these 3 and d wing guys.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:30 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Pels should be looking to steal someone like Leonard or Butler, then have a guy like Danny Green as plan b. They desperately need one of these 3 and d wing guys.
I'd give up ryno to get a legit 3 and sign draymond. That'd fit this team a whole lot better than trying to get ourselves leonard/butler
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:36 pm to cgrand
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It's hilarious to me how many people think this team needs a pf. Anyone who thinks Asik is the biggest problem on this team, and doesn't understand his value to AD, doesn't know anything about basketball. Unless you can get a Marc Gasol, there is no reason to get rid of Asik. Deandre Jordan is not better than Asik.
This team's biggest need is a new coach who will make this team share the ball, or if Bulls crap out in playoffs and fire Thibs, he would turn Pels into a dominant defensive team.
CO-SIGN
yes. all of this.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:40 pm to landrywasbeast30
I like Asik next to Davis. I don't like Asik for 13-15M a year next to Davis.
I'd rather use that money elsewhere and sign. ...say Rolo for $6Mish.
I'd rather use that money elsewhere and sign. ...say Rolo for $6Mish.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:43 pm to Toula
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..say Rolo for $6Mish.
Rolo getting way more than 6mil a year after this season dude.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:49 pm to Toula
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I like Asik next to Davis. I don't like Asik for 13-15M a year next to Davis.
This.
Asik is terrible, but is needed and much better than what we had before. If he needs more than 10 million a year, then tell him goodbye. We aren't asking a center to score, or even be a part of the offense. Not even asking him to play big minutes and he most likely won't be on the court in crunch time. I'm not a fan of paying someone with this role anything over 8-9 million a year, assuming he's a legit defender like Asik.
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Deandre Jordan is not better than Asik.
Yes, yes he is, but i'm not paying 15 million a year for him either.
I want Gasol, which won't happen, or Al Jefferson, who can opt out this summer, but will want a lot.
I say 8-9 million for Asik or Lopez, as long as it doesn't hamper getting a top SF if that's possible, anything for Gasol or Jefferson, or find an veteran big for under 5.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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want Gasol, which won't happen, or Al Jefferson, who can opt out this summer, but will want a lot.
you want a another ball dominant player to come in and take touches away from your best player? We don't need scoring out of the Center position.
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I say 8-9 million for Asik or Lopez, as long as it doesn't hamper getting a top SF if that's possible, anything for Gasol or Jefferson, or find an veteran big for under 5.
We most likely aren't getting a top wing in free agency nor are we going to throw big money at gasol or jefferson. Whats most likely is we re-sign asik for around 10 mil and bring in carrol at the 3.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:00 pm to whoknows1390
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Rolo getting way more than 6mil a year after this season dude.
Yeah, people are delusional. I thought the cheap option at center would be Koufos at $7-$8 but most of you think that's low. Basically we're paying at least $8-$10 million, probably closer to $10, or you're going with guys like Dalembert.
The only way to have a cheap and effective center is to draft him, and if he's effective then he's only cheap on that 1st contract. And even OKC who's in this situation has a $9 million center on the roster and is trying to trade for a max center.
West Playoff teams
Warriors Bogut $12.9
Blazers Lopez $6.1 (should be $10-$12 on his new deal)
Grizzlies Gasol $15.8
Rockets Howard $21.4
Mavs Chandler $14.8
Clippers Jordan $11.4
Spurs Splitter $9.2
Pelicans Asik $8.3
But yeah, let's see if we can get by with a $3 million starting center
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