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re: Eric Bledsoe's Trade Value
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:13 pm to Jester
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:13 pm to Jester
quote:I agree. I seems we're trying to talk ourselves in thinking his starting numbers are really good, but they just aren't. They're mediocre.
As far as Gyno's post, I'm not impressed. IF (big IF) his numbers simply extrapolate to more minutes, he becomes mediocre at a lot of categories and pretty damn good at defense and rebounding, though 4.5 rebounds isn't making a difference. Probably a hustle stat that will decrease with added workload.
I think we'd be wasting a bunch of value to upgrade from average to more distinctly average.
He excels on the defensive end in an era when none of these PGs can actually stop each other. So really whats the point? He's locks up the DJ Augustin's of the world and gets chewed up by the better PGs in the league, just like everybody else does.
I think we need to upgrade our defense at the center position as much or more than Vasquez.
Take Memphis as an example. Mike Conley isn't exactly Gary Payton defensively but they get away with it fine because Gasol cleans up their mistakes.
I say we need to go open up the checkbook for Pekovic. I read an article on how good he is guarding the pick and roll, which is exactly what we need.
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 7:30 pm to eyeran
I have mixed feelings on bledsoe:
On one hand he has the tools to become one of the better PGs in the league. His can score from anywhere on the court and is a big defensive upgrade over GV.
The problem is what we have to give up for him. I believe CP3 will sign with the clips and bledsoe will be dangled. If we can get him for a decent package:
Lopez/Gravy or 2014 1st
I would ok with that but anything more is a No.
On one hand he has the tools to become one of the better PGs in the league. His can score from anywhere on the court and is a big defensive upgrade over GV.
The problem is what we have to give up for him. I believe CP3 will sign with the clips and bledsoe will be dangled. If we can get him for a decent package:
Lopez/Gravy or 2014 1st
I would ok with that but anything more is a No.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:47 pm to LosLobos111
Bledsoe/Vasquez/Roberts
(Gordon trade for Thompson)/Franklin/Rivers
Porter/FA pick-up/Miller
Davis/Smith
Jordan/Lopez
I want this team!
(Gordon trade for Thompson)/Franklin/Rivers
Porter/FA pick-up/Miller
Davis/Smith
Jordan/Lopez
I want this team!
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:03 am to eyeran
Bledsoe started 12 games this year.
Some of the matchups:
John Wall- 13 points, 33%FG
Lillard- 16 points, 35% FG
Jameer Nelson- 16 points, 37%
Rubio- 9 points, 44%
Avery Bradley- 4 points, 25%
Lin- 12 points, 45%
Conley, 5 points, 18%
Curry, 10 points, 36%
Obviously you can't pitch a shutout every night.
I don't know if I can handle another year of GV picking up his dribble at half court and getting trapped or getting blown by on defense.
If Bledsoe is too much, then pass. No one is saying give your 1st born. But just remember, not every PG is like CP3 and shines right away in the league. Guys like Holiday, Lawson, Dragic, Conley, Lin, Jack, Collison, Monta Ellis etc all waited to become starters.
Some of the matchups:
John Wall- 13 points, 33%FG
Lillard- 16 points, 35% FG
Jameer Nelson- 16 points, 37%
Rubio- 9 points, 44%
Avery Bradley- 4 points, 25%
Lin- 12 points, 45%
Conley, 5 points, 18%
Curry, 10 points, 36%
Obviously you can't pitch a shutout every night.
I don't know if I can handle another year of GV picking up his dribble at half court and getting trapped or getting blown by on defense.
If Bledsoe is too much, then pass. No one is saying give your 1st born. But just remember, not every PG is like CP3 and shines right away in the league. Guys like Holiday, Lawson, Dragic, Conley, Lin, Jack, Collison, Monta Ellis etc all waited to become starters.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 2:37 am to TigerinATL
I think one of the team's biggest problems this year was their depth, so I'm not a fan of giving up assets for Bledsoe.
Monty's system places a premium on being able to operate in the half-court, and I'm not sure he's ready for that. Bledsoe's at his best when he's in transition and he can use his athleticism to overmatch people. If you watch the Clippers bench when they slow down, Jamal Crawford handles the ball most of the time.
Bledsoe's better than GV, but he's not worth trading assets for then signing for more than we'd have to pay GV. Pairing Burke with GV would be the option I'd prefer.
Monty's system places a premium on being able to operate in the half-court, and I'm not sure he's ready for that. Bledsoe's at his best when he's in transition and he can use his athleticism to overmatch people. If you watch the Clippers bench when they slow down, Jamal Crawford handles the ball most of the time.
Bledsoe's better than GV, but he's not worth trading assets for then signing for more than we'd have to pay GV. Pairing Burke with GV would be the option I'd prefer.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 2:38 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 6:49 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
Some of the matchups:
John Wall- 13 points, 33%FG
Lillard- 16 points, 35% FG
Jameer Nelson- 16 points, 37%
Rubio- 9 points, 44%
Avery Bradley- 4 points, 25%
Lin- 12 points, 45%
Conley, 5 points, 18%
Curry, 10 points, 36%
He could have a James Hardenesque impact to the Pels.
Kevin Martin 12 stats: 17 pts, 3 rbs, 3 asts, 1 stl, and 2 3pts/game
Harden 12 stats: 17 pts, 4 rbs, 4 asts, 1 stl and 2 3pts/game
And harden had 7 more minutes per game.
Based upon this stat vs stat argument -- Harden "wasn't a big improvement" over Martin, and the trade was terrible for Houston.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 6:50 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 7:18 am to drake20
quote:
Bledsoe is better than Vasquez at everything but passing,
False
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:01 pm to PKTiger
quote:
Monty's system places a premium on being able to operate in the half-court
system or personnel?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:05 pm to Jester
quote:
False
What you got?
...everything but passing.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:13 pm to drake20
quote:
What you got?
...everything but passing.
And shooting. Notice that his shooting percentages are worse than Vasquez when he has been asked to carry the load.
He also doesn't defend the post as well, but that's about like arguing that 4.5 rebounds per 36 makes Bledsoe an elite PG.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:23 pm to Jester
quote:
He also doesn't defend the post as wel
not a very valuable skill for a PG.
quote:
4.5 rebounds per 36 makes Bledsoe an elite PG.
...no one said this. He does rebound very well though, and it has increased when he's played more minutes.
quote:
And shooting. Notice that his shooting percentages are worse than Vasquez when he has been asked to carry the load.
I don't see it...Vasquez shoots poorly when he tries to do too much/takes too many shots as well.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:23 pm to Jester
Without context, Bledsoe has a .513 true shooting percentage for 50th among PGs, 9 spots ahead of Greivis at .502. However, the context of role has to be considered. Bledsoe does most of his damage in a bench role against less talented lineups.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:25 pm to drake20
quote:
Vasquez shoots poorly when he tries to do too much/takes too many shots as well.
Vasquez plays on one of the worst teams in the league and has to do way more than he should because we have little talent and less depth.
Bledsoe plays on one of the most stacked teams in the league AND goes against second unit defenses. Again, context. Let him start for a year and then we'll talk shooting percentages, because it's apples and oranges at this point.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:26 pm to drake20
quote:
not a very valuable skill for a PG.
Neither is rebounding, but Greivis rebounds at a very similar rate. Another thing that Bledsoe is not "better at."
Okay, you asked me, now i get to ask you, aside from defense, where is Bledsoe quantifiably better than Vasquez?
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:31 pm to Jester
What u mean quantifiable? Huh?
Don't mind me. Had a liquid lunch and waiting on check.
Don't mind me. Had a liquid lunch and waiting on check.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:38 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
14.0 PPG (15th)
Gravy is at 13.9 PPG without assuming his numbers will stay the same while taking on better competition.....
quote:
6.4 APG (18th)
or 71% of Gravy's season average against 1s....
quote:
4.5 RPG (2nd)
Almost exactly Gravy's per minute value
quote:
1.9 SPG (5th)
Better than Greivis
quote:
1.3 BPG (1st)
Better than Greivis
quote:
84.6 FT%(9th)
His season averages are almost identical to Greivis. This is where competition is unimportant as FTs are uncontested. His season average here is indicative of what his numbers as a starter would be.
quote:
40.6 FG%(30th)
43.3 > 40.6
quote:
40.0% 3P% (11th)
This is solid, but he his TS% indicates that he doesn't perform so well on drives and pull-ups where Vasquez has thrived.
quote:
s PPG would put him in Dragic, Conley, Teague range.
You forgot "Vasquez range"
quote:
His APG would put him in Curry, Lawson, Jennings, Lillard, Lowry range.
Chucker range?
quote:
His RPG puts him in Westbrook's range.
You forgot "Vasquez range"
quote:
His SPG puts him in Kemba, Westbrook, Ellis range.
So, does he gamble too much into lanes like Ellis? Not saying that he does, but Ellis is an example of steals not exactly equaling good defense.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:02 pm to Jester
quote:
Bledsoe does most of his damage in a bench role against less talented lineups.
Ya, but there's nothing he or I can do about that behind Chris Paul. I think he's a starter from the little I've seen.
I think he did well as a starter. His last 3 games as starter were impressive.
It's a small sample, sure, but I think it's a sign of things to come...no way to know for sure.
He doesn't have any of the physical limitations to hold him back(like Vasquez), and he's still younger than Vasquez was when he entered the league.
I love Vasquez, but he's just not getting it done. I had high hopes for him early, but as the season has progressed, it's clear to me that he's not really a starting PG.
He's #22 among PGs in FG%, and he's the tallest of those guys.
...#34 in 3PT%, #26 in PER
His defense is bad.
Great passer, but he can't penetrate/beat his man very well or knock down the 3s.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:06 pm to Jester
quote:
Vasquez plays on one of the worst teams in the league and has to do way more than he should because we have little talent
The starting unit is pretty good offensively...they're at least sufficient enough to let this excuse die.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:07 pm to drake20
quote:
it's clear to me that he's not really a starting PG.
I thought I disproved this stupid shite back in December. quote:
He's #22 among PGs in FG%, and he's the tallest of those guys.
So, he's better than at least 8 other starters? Also, he was forced into a lot of bad shots by the rest of our guys not running the correct offense and moving the ball until late in the clock this year. That is where a starter that is being depended on to carry the load has his FG% hurt. Context.
quote:
...#34 in 3PT%
Just below average....
quote:
#26 in PER
Above average and quantifiable as better than several starting PGs....
quote:
Great passer, but he can't penetrate/beat his man very well or knock down the 3s.
He gets into the post for running floaters pretty consistently for a guy that can't penetrate.
I'm not saying that he's the best PG in the NBA, but I'm saying Bledsoe is not much better if at all.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:09 pm to Jester
quote:
Bledsoe plays on one of the most stacked teams in the league AND goes against second unit defenses. Again, context.
Of course, but you have to make moves like this sometimes. If he was a great starter somewhere right now, the Hornets wouldn't be getting him/would be paying a lot more for him.
quote:
Let him start for a year and then we'll talk shooting percentages
gotta move now if we want him...we're not the Lakers.
Don't overpay of course, but if the price is right.
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