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re: Eric Bledsoe's Trade Value
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:50 pm to teke184
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:50 pm to teke184
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Their percentages are close enough that it is arguable that they are equals.
I'm fine with this...and Bledsoe plays ELITE defense, is fast/athletic/coordinated, and is younger than Vasquez when he entered the league.
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:51 pm to GynoSandberg
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Dude is a swiss army knife PG. He does a little of everything. Let's take of the teal glasses and enlightened ourselves with some other players
Man, if only we can extrapolate 2 games over the course of a season....
This isn't about "teal glasses." It's about people wanting us to overpay for a player that has been average at his best.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:53 pm to drake20
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Bledsoe plays ELITE defense
This is extremely overstated. CP3 is almost always guarding the best ball-handler on the team. He is definitely an upgrade defensively, but we could upgrade 4 positions defensively from what we saw this year. Why not go after a guy that improves more than only defense?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:57 pm to Jester
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So, his rebounds somehow create more than one possession each?
not what I was saying...it was a stupid/irrelevant point by me anyway though.
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But he is under the basket trying to get a rebound and not out leading the break
He fast.
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Anderson is NOT a good fast break player, other than in the trail position, which is more of a secondary break, but that's beside the point.
This is exactly what I was talking about with Anderson, and I think it's a great play...Let Bledsoe and Davis run with Anderson trailing.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:57 pm to TigerinATL
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As much as everyone is tired of losing, we don't need to fix the entire team this offseason. A competent SF and a better C could be cheaper to acquire than Bledsoe. Unless the FO really loves Burke, save the PG upgrade for next season when your 2014 draft pick may solve the problem.
What's the biggest knock on Burke? Too short. However, he's expected to measure very similarly to Bledsoe....
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:59 pm to Jester
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Well, he's only 6' tall. That's too short for Trey Burke to be a PG in the NBA...
It's not much of an issue for Bledsoe--best shot-blocking PG in the league.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:59 pm to drake20
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He fast.
Fast enough to outrun every defenders from under the opposing basket? He is definitely faster, but implying that his rebounds lead to fast breaks seems dubious.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:01 pm to drake20
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It's not much of an issue for Bledsoe--best shot-blocking PG in the league.
Which was my point. Burke is plenty tall enough to succeed in the league and I'd rather spend one pick in a mediocre draft for Burke than multiple, more valuable assets for Bledsoe.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:02 pm to Jester
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What percentage does he shoot on those floaters? I ask because you made that up.
my bad...I was referring to his overall FG%...worded poorly.
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You are absolutely wrong here. He assists consistently at an elite level.
I really haven't disagreed here...When I said everything, I meant everything we had just mentioned in our recent posts.
...I've been pimping Vasquez as a good passer before it was cool.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:04 pm to TigerinATL
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It really is all about how high do you think Bledsoe's ceiling is, not how he compares to Vasquez now. If he's going to be a game changer then giving up 2 assets for him isn't bad. If he's just going to be another average to slightly above average starting PG then giving up either Lopez or Vasquez and a pick that could probably net a comparable player is stupid.
yep
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:06 pm to Jester
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You are the only person speaking in absolutes here.
I'm just stating the obvious that sometimes you have to make a decision like that based on a small sample cause that's all you got.
I'm sure the Hornets evaluators that are much smarter than me are on it though.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:10 pm to Jester
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Drake absolutely is. See the post directly below yours.
you're joking, right?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:14 pm to TigerinATL
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As much as everyone is tired of losing, we don't need to fix the entire team this offseason. A competent SF and a better C could be cheaper to acquire than Bledsoe
I'm a Vasquez supporter. But I think Bledsoe's ceiling is wayyy higher than vasquez's. I agree with TigerinAtl. We need an upgrade all over this team. To me, our biggest need in help at small/shooting forward. This will alleviate pressure on both Davis and Gordon( don't think anyone will take on his contract).
Davis also needs help under the boards. Lopez ain't doing it for me. You never know what you're gonna get from him from night to night.
In summary, yes Bledsoe would be better than Vasquez immediately, but if it inhibits us from upgrading the 3 and 5, I'd rather stick with Vasquez with improved talent around him. If Vasquez could focus on being an assist first PG and spend time focusing on defense instead of scoring, I think that's the way Dell should go. But ONLY if we focus on the 3 and 5.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:15 pm to Jester
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This is extremely overstated.
I disagree...If the guy is putting up 2-6 steal games left and right, that's a game-changer.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:17 pm to Gtothemoney
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Bledsoe's ceiling is wayyy higher than vasquez's.
no doubt about this, but who knows if he'll come close to reaching that ceiling.
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Davis also needs help under the boards. Lopez ain't doing it for me. You never know what you're gonna get from him from night to night.
If the team is looking to sign one of the free agent centers, moving Lopez in a trade for Bledsoe would be a great situation, imo.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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Bledsoe started 12 games this year.
Some of the matchups:
John Wall- 13 points, 33%FG
Lillard- 16 points, 35% FG
Jameer Nelson- 16 points, 37%
Rubio- 9 points, 44%
Avery Bradley- 4 points, 25%
Lin- 12 points, 45%
Conley, 5 points, 18%
Curry, 10 points, 36%
Regardless if Bledsoe does anything else well or not... Does anyone not think a PG who challenges his opposition like the above would not be worth it?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:27 pm to Gtothemoney
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In summary, yes Bledsoe would be better than Vasquez immediately, but if it inhibits us from upgrading the 3 and 5, I'd rather stick with Vasquez with improved talent around him.
This.
My general plan for this offseason would be to tender an offer to Pekovic and, hopefully, get Otto Porter in the draft if we end up as #2 or #3.
That takes care of all our starting positions and then lets us re-evaluate whether to upgrade at the point.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:39 pm to teke184
Ideally, for me, I'd like to trade our #1 for a quality starting 3 this year. Idk who is available , but I'm not sold on this years crop of draftees.
Then I would go after a 5 in free agency. Pekovic seems to get a lot of love on here. No to Bynum. Dwight seems like a pipe dream so that ain't happening. If we could work out a deal for Cousins, I'd love that. I know he's a head case, but as much grief I give to Monty, he does seem like a good guy to mentor.
Then I would go after a 5 in free agency. Pekovic seems to get a lot of love on here. No to Bynum. Dwight seems like a pipe dream so that ain't happening. If we could work out a deal for Cousins, I'd love that. I know he's a head case, but as much grief I give to Monty, he does seem like a good guy to mentor.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:47 pm to Gtothemoney
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Ideally, for me, I'd like to trade our #1 for a quality starting 3 this year. Idk who is available , but I'm not sold on this years crop of draftees.
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The idea would be to get one better than Aminu, so we'd be looking from #28 up.
We're probably better off signing FA Dorell Wright than flipping a top 5 pick for Shawn Marion, an injured Danilo Gallinari, an overpaid Luol Deng, etc.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:48 pm to Gtothemoney
Eric Bledsoe guarded Eric Gordon better than anyone else I saw this season by quite a wide margin (in my opinion before Jester starts jumping up and down).
I personally think the asking price is a little too high and that you'd need to get him to sign a reasonable extension before even pulling the trigger on most of these trades.
I'm warming to the idea as long as Davis/Anderson/Gordon/Rivers/2013 1st/2014 1st aren't anywhere near the trade discussions for him.
I'd rather Bledsoe than Jennings/Teague/any 2013 rookie PGs.
I personally think the asking price is a little too high and that you'd need to get him to sign a reasonable extension before even pulling the trigger on most of these trades.
I'm warming to the idea as long as Davis/Anderson/Gordon/Rivers/2013 1st/2014 1st aren't anywhere near the trade discussions for him.
I'd rather Bledsoe than Jennings/Teague/any 2013 rookie PGs.
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