re: Eric Bledsoe's Trade Value

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Of course, but you have to make moves like this sometimes.

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No, you really don't. Overpaying a guy in hopes that he breaks out is a slippery slope and I'm not keen on busting my arse.

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Neither is rebounding, but Greivis rebounds at a very similar rate. Another thing that Bledsoe is not "better at."

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Based on their heights, I'd argue that Bledsoe is actually a better rebounder. He can initiate breaks and increase pace off rebounds way better than Vasquez...We should be running--young team, Davis and Anderson are very good break players.

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Neither is rebounding

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maybe, but it's a lot more valuable than post D as a PG.

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Okay, you asked me, now i get to ask you, aside from defense, where is Bledsoe quantifiably better than Vasquez?

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Quantifiably, he has lower numbers in everything cause he plays 14 less minutes, but he does have a higher FG%, 3PT%, and PER.

He can play defense/create turnovers and get to the bucket a lot better than Vasquez. His defense is an elite skill. His offense is coming along. He's athletic and coordinated--no physical limitations as a PG.

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Quantifiably, he has lower numbers in everything cause he plays 14 less minutes, but he does have a higher FG%, 3PT%, and PER.

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You know what statisticians would call the differences between Vasquez and Bledsoe at FG%% and 3PT%? Statistical noise.

Their percentages are close enough that it is arguable that they are equals.


PER is a different story, but it is also a statistic which has a lot of detractors.

One of the arguments against it is that it doesn't take into account how many assisted shots a player takes, as a player capable of creating their own shots is more valuable than one who can't.

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Based on their heights, I'd argue that Bledsoe is actually a better rebounder

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So, his rebounds somehow create more than one possession each?

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He can initiate breaks and increase pace off rebounds way better than Vasquez.

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But he is under the basket trying to get a rebound and not out leading the break....

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We should be running--young team, Davis and Anderson are very good break players.

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Meh, we don't have the horses to be a running team. Anderson is NOT a good fast break player, other than in the trail position, which is more of a secondary break, but that's beside the point. He does not run the floor like Davis.

Also, Monty seems to be more of a half court coach, so I wouldn't expect us to suddenly become the Heat.

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maybe, but it's a lot more valuable than post D as a PG.

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Which is good for Vasquez, because he's tied for #2 among PGs in RPG.....

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Quantifiably, he has lower numbers in everything cause he plays 14 less minutes, but he does have a higher FG%, 3PT%, and PER.

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I broke down each stat individually in a previous post.

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no physical limitations as a PG.

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Well, he's only 6' tall. That's too short for Trey Burke to be a PG in the NBA...

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Davis and a quick/fast point guard will be awesome.

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I bet Tack Minor is available.

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The starting unit that includes Vasquez running the show and helping them perform considerably above their career and expectations.

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c'mon man...This can go both ways. Ryan Anderson and Anthony Davis are helping Vasquez perform well in the assist department.

...as well as Lopez and gordon--good offensive players at their positions.

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He can play defense/create turnovers and get to the bucket a lot better than Vasquez. His defense is an elite skill. His offense is coming along. He's athletic and coordinated--no physical limitations as a PG.

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We need to stop going in circles over Vasquez vs. Bledsoe. I think most of us have accepted that Vasquez isn't a heavy minutes starter on a contending Pelicans team. It really is all about how high do you think Bledsoe's ceiling is, not how he compares to Vasquez now. If he's going to be a game changer then giving up 2 assets for him isn't bad. If he's just going to be another average to slightly above average starting PG then giving up either Lopez or Vasquez and a pick that could probably net a comparable player is stupid.

As much as everyone is tired of losing, we don't need to fix the entire team this offseason. A competent SF and a better C could be cheaper to acquire than Bledsoe. Unless the FO really loves Burke, save the PG upgrade for next season when your 2014 draft pick may solve the problem.

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This can go both ways

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Which is why I made the above statement. It was in response to you implying that it only goes one way.

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I remember the last guy I heard this about. He was supposed to make a jump and become one of the best players at his position in the league, as a potential superstar.

Last time I saw him, he got pulled from a game because he got into an argument with Monty after spending the better part of two seasons seriously gimped up.

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You think that is a similar comparison?

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You may have a hard-on for Bledsoe and think he'll be the next CP3, but what you're suggesting is that the team seriously overpay in assets for an unproven starter

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Exaggerating a bit much, eh? No one is calling him the next CP3 nor are we saying we should overpay. Bench players and a maybe draft pick in a weak draft? Sure.

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we've got a proven one right now and could make him better by getting him some help at the 3.

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We have a guy who has proven he would be great off the bench. Having a lot of assists doesn't qualify you as a being some great point guard. Isn't there more to it? Jose freakin Calderon has been top 5 in assists for like 10 years straight and no one even knows he exists, probably because he is average to below average.



Bledsoe 23/10/7 vs Boston

Bledsoe 27/6/6 vs Orlando

Dude is a swiss army knife PG. He does a little of everything. Let's take of the teal glasses and enlightened ourselves with some other players

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If he's just going to be another average to slightly above average starting PG then giving up either Lopez or Vasquez and a pick that could probably net a comparable player is stupid.

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This is my feeling on it. I don't think Bledsoe is ever going to be an elite PG. If even his own team thought he had that potential, they don't break the bank for Paul. People want to argue that they refused to give up Bledsoe, but that was not the case. From all indications, they refused to give up both Bledsoe AND Gordon. We chose Gordon. Take it for what it's worth. Also, if they thought he had star potential, they would hold onto him until Paul resigns. Right now, in my humble opinion, he's Darren Collison 2.0.