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Does Diallo Open the Door for Ryno to Return?

Posted on 6/24/16 at 6:37 am
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 6:37 am
The net numbers have typically said Ryno is useful when you have a mobile defender like AD to cover for him. So does the prospect of having one of AD or Diallo on the floor with him make Ryno viable? It's probably a moot point since Sacramento cleared cap space by trading Belinelli, but since most people are ready to move on from Ryno, I'm just wondering if Diallo means we don't need to melt if they keep him.

Yeah you shouldn't expect much from a rookie, but I'm thinking more long term. They traded up because they see something in him. I'm wondering if what they see changes how they value Ryno.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 6:39 am
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 6:50 am to
Long term for Anderson isn't promising. He'll be 31 in 3 years with an already bad back and limited athleticism. Even if Diallo hits in a big way, thats going to be hard to cover up for a team w/ goals beyond the first round

I think Anderson is a play for them, regardless of the draft. Hopefully at a reasonable price/years.

Diallo to me is a post Asik move. Hopefully in a couple of years he can give them ~20mpg at the 5.

Really, I'm just happy they finally added a big that isn't slow.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 7:36 am to
I think they want Diallo to develop into that D. Green small ball 5 type of role. Not sure it has anything to do with Ryno at all. That being said, I never really hold out any hope for second round picks. They are always fan favorites that we hope turn into
Role players, but rarely do.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 8:00 am to
2 yrs of ryno I'm fine with
otherwise let somebody else regret that 4 yr deal

I look for them to sign one or two more front court players and for asik to ride the bench into oblivion. sullinger or similar type players. Unfortunately SF is and will remain a problem, so get ready for more qpon/dante and hold your nose
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 8:08 am to
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asik to ride the bench into oblivion


At Demps' presser he talked about Asik's injury to start the season got him off to a slow start and just as he hit his stride he got injured again, and he wasn't wrong. Asik was starting to look like Asik again before the 2nd injury. So I think they are expecting him to play, and one of his best assets on offense is screening. Have Jrue and AD running some 2 man game with Buddy running off Asik screens to get open as a secondary option on the play. Use Asik like the clumsy lineman he is, not the safety valve running back you throw the ball to when everything else breaks down.

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Unfortunately SF is and will remain a problem


Considering the options I think they'll go after Dudley and he and QPon will be fine as placeholders.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 8:49 am to
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2 yrs of ryno I'm fine with


Yeah. I'd even see if you could get him to do a 1+1. I doubt he will due to back injury, but I wouldn't be thrilled to have him eat up cap space next summer.

quote:

sullinger


Both BSS and TBW had Sulllinger profiles. I liked him in the draft. Definite flaws, but some positives too. They probably need to move Ajinca if they target him or a similar quality big.

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So I think they are expecting him to play, and one of his best assets on offense is screening. Have Jrue and AD running some 2 man game with Buddy running off Asik screens to get open as a secondary option on the play.


So these are much more playoff issues. They should be fine v most regular season teams if they keep Asik on the court w/ Holiday, Davis, Hield.

But if they get into the playoffs, I don't think they can play Asik much at all. Offense dies if you use him in ball screens (auto double on the ball handler to force a pass to Asik). Even running pin downs w/ him- why not just overplay the screen and force the backdoor to Asik's man who will be in the lane?
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:15 am to
Don't be surprised if the Pels strike out on wings and they re-sign Ryan Anderson as an asset --similar to what the Nuggets did with Nene a few years ago, and then traded him months later

That was the logic behind not moving him at the deadline. Now, the Pistons and Kings went and took bigs last night, so they aren't threats anymore. Combine that with Love's Finals performance and Ryno finishing the season injured, and maybe his price tag is more in the 15-17 mil range. If it is, the Pels might re-sign him and use him as long as they have him, always looking for an opportunity to make him a part of a deal if it makes the team better
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:28 am to
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the Pels might re-sign him and use him as long as they have him, always looking for an opportunity to make him a part of a deal if it makes the team better


This sounds familiar..........

Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:30 am to
Yep. Which shouldn't be surprising, seeing that they have the same decision makers and directive.

People came out of last night thinking things might be changing because we kept the pick, but we got the most NBA ready guy. Hield is about 6 months younger than Jrue was when we traded for him.

The same directives and strategies are still in place.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115468 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:33 am to
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but we got the most NBA ready guy.


Yeah this was my first thought as well, that Buddy was the draft equivalent of the "young vet" strategy. I still like Buddy a lot but that thought definitely occurred to me.

Who we pursue in FA will tell us a lot.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:35 am to
They will persue Batum and Parsons as their high end guys. Ryno is their backup plan. Then, they go for midrange guys like Dudley, then bargains if they strike out on all of those.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:37 am to
Oh, definitely.

Just seems weird. They couldn't get much for Anderson due to his holes and expiring- I get that and I get (not agree with) refusing to dump him for pennies.

But re-signing him to trade him will likely bring on the exact same problem. If they give him 4/$65M, who is going to give up much to pay 31/32 year old Anderson? His defense and athleticism aren't going to get better. So then, they're in the same spot they just were.

ETA- if they are trying to win faster or whatever, why not find a guy who can play defense better than Anderson while also replicating some of his shooting? Offense ain't the problem in NO

You really think the Kings are out of the running for him? Seems like they have other moves since they now have approximately 8 5s on their team. Then again, #kangz

This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 9:46 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:40 am to
Supposedly their interest in Ryno, in addition to wanting a stretch 4 next to Cousins, is helping to fill their arena because he's a local. Maybe Skal is the stretch 4 of the future, but he's not going to help win games or put butts in the seats this season.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 9:42 am
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:46 am to
I don't think the Kings are out of the running for him. But I also don't think they will go get him at all costs. I think they will focus on guards first.

They have Cousins, Skal, the Greek kid, Cauley-Stein, and Gay is at his best as a stretch 4. I mean, they are the Kings, but I don't think they throw 20+ at Ryno when they have invested so much in the position he plays already
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:48 am to
And the reason why they couldn't get value for Ryno was because he was expiring. The thought is that even if he costs you 4/64, that contract will look enticing in February of 2017 or 2018. Think about it, if he is making 16 mil in 2017-2018, that is about 14% of the cap, which is pretty close to what he was making last year. But he would have multiple years left on the deal, which yes, would make him more valuable to other teams.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115468 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:54 am to
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They will persue Batum and Parsons as their high end guys. Ryno is their backup plan.


FML. If true, they haven't learned a thing I guess. And this is coming from someone that kind of likes both Batum and Parsons.

Signing Ryno back would kill me.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32373 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:58 am to
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Signing Ryno back would kill me.


fricking :kige:
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:58 am to
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But he would have multiple years left on the deal, which yes, would make him more valuable to other teams.



Certainly. But, again, what would they think is fair value? And who's excited to give up things of value to pay 31/32 year old Anderson with a bad back and already limited athleticism? And I like Anderson, but he's not the same guy since his injury.

Only takes one a-hole and the spike next year may help. But that's a risk that seems very short-sighted for the Pels. Can't they use his cap space to find a guy who can give some of his shooting with better defense? Woudn't that make more sense from a "win now" perspective than re-signing him and hoping for a trade you like?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:02 am to
If they do re-sign him, the longer they hold onto him the worse his return will be and the less likely they are to actually move him. Just like NeNe, they would need to flip him months after signing him.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 10:03 am
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:04 am to
To be clear, I am giving you their thinking. Just like I did last night with Diallo

If it were me, i would go sign a bunch of hungry, cheap guys. But I am not the GM, nor does my job depend on the wants and needs of ownership
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