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re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteed
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:06 am to hendersonshands
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:06 am to hendersonshands
THAT is one interesting arse team
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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I guess all the people that said Magic and Big O and Pippen were Point Forwards, they were a bunch of dumbass's making up a position.
No, just you are.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:07 am to corndeaux
Ok that clears it up a bit. So all of his money on this contract counts toward the cap, though? I know with Houston for whatever reason some money didn't count toward the cap. Any idea how that worked?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:09 am to Mystery
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No, just you are.
Kewl
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:11 am to quail man
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So all of his money on this contract counts toward the cap, though? I know with Houston for whatever reason some money didn't count toward the cap. Any idea how that worked?
Yes. All of his guaranteed money will count towards the Pels cap.
Morey used an arcane rule/technicality in the CBA to structure the Lin/Asik deals with a poison pill clause to create the huge jump in the 3rd year. I can't explain that; we'll need a cap guru. Suffice to say that it didn't happen here.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:11 am to quail man
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Can one of our cap guys explain how the bird rights work with Asik's contract please.
Even if Asik wasn't on our roster we have no functional cap space, that means you need an exception to sign a FA. All we have is the $5.5 million MLE and $2.1 million BAE to sign outside free agents with. But because they were already on our roster and on the same contract for a certain amount of time (3 years to get Bird Right and 2 years for Early Bird Rights) we were able to use those exceptions to go over the cap and resign both Asik and Ajinca. We have Early Bird Rights on Babbit too and could give him a deal similar to Ajinca's if we wanted, but we don't have any rights on Cunningham so if we want to give him any more than the minimum we'd have to use all or part of our MLE or BAE exceptions.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:12 am to hendersonshands
I don't understand the hand wringing
asik deal is 4/45 correct?
am I missing something?
asik deal is 4/45 correct?
am I missing something?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:12 am to corndeaux
Ok very interesting. Thanks 
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:13 am to quail man
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I know with Houston for whatever reason some money didn't count toward the cap.
he signed asik to a 3-year deal and the average salary counts against the cap. this rule is in place so that a team with like $30M couldn't just frontload the frick out of a deal when they had $30M in cap room and then pay the guy $5M a year after and save all that space in the future.
morey used it to jump asik's deal to $15M in salary on the BACK end, and that actual salary + the deal would put the bulls perilously close to the luxury tax. the cap impact would be the same but the actual dollars the bulls would have had to pay last year on that deal would be like $30M. their owner was like "frick that" and they didnt' match.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:15 am to TigerinATL
Got it. So Dell can go over the cap to get these guys because of these little rules in the CBA. so currently the Pels are over, right? And still need to sign a few more guys. Does that mean benson may be willing to pay the luxury tax or will we potentially see Gordon, reke, or Anderson being moved?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:16 am to quail man
they should be within a couple million of the tax line if they use the exceptions. For many reasons they need to stay just below it
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:17 am to quail man
$100 says we'll get right up to the tax. we ain't going into tax land for end of the roster guys
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
There are so many rules and exceptions and loopholes. shite is ridiculous. I know it's their job to know these things but holy shite I don't know how they keep tabs on it all. Lots of underlings who understand it all I'm sure helps but man.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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He's not a free throw liability like Asik is
Do you make an actual effort to be wrong? Bogut is a career .561 free throw shooter.
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he's a better defender
Nope
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He also can actually play on offense.
He is probably a bit better on offense, but he's nothing special.
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He was the #1 frickin pick in the draft.
This is greatly biasing your false opinions.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:18 am to quail man
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Does that mean benson may be willing to pay the luxury tax or will we potentially see Gordon, reke, or Anderson being moved?
See my post on the last page for details on how close we are to the tax. tl;dr is if we use all of the exceptions available to us and have a full roster we'll be over the tax and that's bad for where this team is currently at. You start the clock on some ugly things that you don't want to start the clock on until you're actually contending even if Benson is willing to take a small financial hit this year.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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$100 says we'll get right up to the tax. we ain't going into tax land for end of the roster guys
Also, taxes aren't calculated until the end of the year, so if there's anyone expendable on your roster heading towards the trade deadline, you could always pay a fake 2nd rounder and cash considerations to dump whichever minimum guy isn't playing on a team with cap space and get back under the tax.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:29 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Do you make an actual effort to be wrong? Bogut is a career .561 free throw shooter.
I was wrong on that. I had Mozgov in my head hitting free throws instead of Bogut.
Yeah Bogut is bad a free throws.
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he's a better defender
Nope
he is a better rim protector i think, but yeah he's not any better than Asik, but certainly not worst.
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He is probably a bit better on offense, but he's nothing special.
Bogut shot 65% from inside 3 feet
Asik shot 51% from inside 3 feet, only guy i found worst was Pachulia.
Neither are asked to do anything outside of that area.
How is Asik comparable here?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:29 am to TigerinATL
We sure as hell don't want to be in the tax, so that concerns me a bit filling out the roster.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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I guess all the people that said Magic and Big O and Pippen were Point Forwards, they were a bunch of dumbass's making up a position.
You can say point forward. That describes a playing style. However, you cant apply a number that already means something haha. There can only be 5 guys on the court. In your world you if Lebron was on the court with Chandler parsons you would say that there was a 3 playing with a 3 guard? There can only be one 3 on the court. Maybe a 3 is playing the 2, but in that instance...hes a 2.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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TeddyPadillac
Please just stop posting
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