re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteed

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I'm guessing Cole getsa part of the MLE ($3.5m)

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I expect we'll just sign him to his QO, and if we do something different, he's been on the same contract for 3 years, so that means we'd have Bird Rights. He wouldn't take any of our MLE.

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That's an alter, we've seen a poster, can't remember who, go on and on and on about the 3 guard.

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It's the same guy



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I have something to say. It's not true.

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Quit trying to polish a terd.
For starters 55% still sucks and Puchulia is still the only one below that if i remember correctly.
Secondly, if he took shots from greater than 3' than they were by a few inches pass 3', outside of maybe 15 of his 400+ shots that were probably end of shot clock shots.
You know damn well that >95% of Asik's shots come from under the basket.



And i never said i agreed with the stupid stats i posted. I'm not into the advanced stats analytics, but those stats weren't kind to Asik as far as defense goes.

I know why we had to resign him. Doesn't' mean i have to be happy with it, and i'm not. And i'm not happy b/c i don't think he's good and we're now stuck with him for 4 years. Everything about him says, great backup, below average starter. If that gets you 11+ million a year at the 5, then so be it. looking at the history of salaries at the 5 says that if he's in the 25-30 range, then he's an MLE guy at best. Obviously some people think he's in the 17-22 range.

I'm going into the season optimistic with him. I hope the coaching change affects him the most. If he can be an actual dominant force on the defensive end which i think has more to do with the scheme and perimeter defense, rebound even better than he already does very well, play with more effort, get his hand on more offensive boards, and shoot 60% from the field, I will be happy with him. I'd like for him to put a few people on their arse this season. He needs to be more of a bully. Opposing teams should hate him.

I don't think any of those expectations i just said were remotely unrealistic, except maybe the 60%.

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Quit trying to polish a terd.

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I didn't polish a turd, I shined light on it. This isn't the first, 2nd or even 3rd time you have posted factually incorrect or exaggerated information in your crusade against Asik. If you don't like me pointing out the failings in your post, then check your facts before posting. Maybe if you'd use the actual numbers instead of the ones you think you remember you could have a more reasoned discussion about Asik instead of looking like a crazy man on a crusade.

holy shite man give it up

I've never seen someone so triggered before

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Sorry you don't like Asik's stats.

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Why do I always have to be an Asik apologist because I point out flaws in poorly crafted arguments? I took on the sunshine pumpers a few weeks ago when they tried to pass off Gordon as better than he was. I don't hate Gordon, but what they were saying needed to be called out. You and I actually agree on a lot of fundamental points about Asik, but it seems like we're always arguing because you are constantly bringing weakly supported arguments.

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Would you rather i say 51% from less than 3'6"?

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I'd rather you say where your numbers are from, especially if they are a personal extrapolation because he only took a "few shots" away from the rim. Those 2 areas under the basket are 52.2%, not 51.1%. Neither percentage is great, but only one is accurate. And saying where you got things from is important because sometimes these outside sites differ from the official stats. NBA.com says it's not as bad as you think:

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Less Than 5 ft. 212 398 53.3

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Now we're still splitting hairs over how bad a guy is, but the reason we're doing so is because you feel the need to continually bash Asik using inaccurate data, when the real data does a good enough job on its own. Also, NOBODY thinks he's good on offense, so I don't see why you feel the need to convince the board of this. The question with Asik is can you find a way to put him in optimum position 25 MPG so you can get the 60% at the rim Houtson version and not the 55% or less version we saw for the Pels.

The fact is there's only 1 thing he is good at, rebounding.
Outside of Zaza, there isnt' much of an argument that he is the worst offensive center in the league by a good bit. Regardless of what rounding and assumptions i made, only Zaza is worst than him around the goal.

His defensive stats don't show he's elite, or even really good, just average.

I don't understand how any of you think this deal is even remotely good for us. Yes I know why we had to do it, but he's not worth this contract, not even in 2 years assuming he plays the same way. 4 years is just too long for his lack of skill and the fact that it looked like he played with injuries all year last year. 4 guaranteed years at $40 million i think is more than enough for him and i think 4/36 is more representative of what he brings to the team. I just don't want his contract hindering what we can do in the future towards a player that can actually help us win a championship, b/c Asik will never be the difference in us being a championship team or not.

You can't tell me he's better than Koufas, and look what he got. What do you honestly think Asik would have gotten on the open market? There was not 1 rumor i heard of any other team being interested, despite him being a UFA. Did they all just assume he was resigning, and made no attempt to go after him? Or do other teams not place much value on a starting center who can't shoot, can't finish, and is an average defender without athleticism?

I hope he turns out to be a great contract, i really do, i just don't have faith in that concept at this moment.
I have reasonable expectations that he will be better this year.

My ears are up.

Loomis.

That's really interesting. Makes the deal a lot better. I wasn't wild about the length of the deal, but I still wanted Omer back.

Ajinca's contract is actually 4/19.2

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Eric Pincus ?@EricPincus 20m20 minutes ago
Omer Asik has $1 mil each year of incentives to meet (TBD) @BBallInsiders New Orleans Pelicans

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