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re: 5 Potential Offseason Paths w/o Jrue
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:31 pm to Solo
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:31 pm to Solo
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Realistically, why would Minny trade Rubio for a pick?
Rubio is going to be 27 this year, he doesn't line up with the time horizon of their core. Towns and Wiggins are 21. Dunn is 22. Unless they already think Dunn is going to be a bust, they'd be foolish to chase the playoffs and set Dunn's development back. 4 years from now I guarantee they would rather have a pick and a more developed Dunn than Rubio.
That being said we're dealing with a GM that's also the coach who does want to win now. So it's not a foregone conclusion that he's available. But he was available at the trade deadline and their long term plans shouldn't have changed just because he played well down the stretch.
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:58 pm to TigerinATL
I think they are willing to trade Rubio even more so now because of his late seaosn improvement. He increased his value and only has 2 years left. The draft is guard heavy and they have Dunn along with a good backup in Tyus Jones.
Doesn't sound like Minny is really committing to Rubio despite his improved play.
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Do you see Ricky Rubio as the starting point guard next season?
Thibs: "As of now, yes."
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When asked by Spanish EFE if he wants to stay in the club and win, Rubio answered, “I feel like winning. We’ll see. It’s not my decision. I’ve got two more years here and they decide,” he added.
Doesn't sound like Minny is really committing to Rubio despite his improved play.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/21/17 at 3:28 pm to TigerinATL
Minny has to be all in on Dunn to do a Rubio deal.
Watching Rubio go to work with Boogie in the high post would fantastic.
Watching Rubio go to work with Boogie in the high post would fantastic.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:23 pm to WhySoSerious
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We should have traded him before the deadline.
Jrue is better than whatever we could have got for him or we can find during free agency.
If the team thought there was a very high percentage chance to retain him it is the right move to not abandon ship.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:07 am to TigerinATL
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Rubio is going to be 27 this year, he doesn't line up with the time horizon of their core.
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they'd be foolish to chase the playoffs and set Dunn's development back.
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4 years from now I guarantee they would rather have a pick and a more developed Dunn than Rubio.
you know i respect your opinion, but i just disagree completely here.
- The Timeline is fine and that concept is overplayed. Not everyone needs to be the same age
- Rubio is 27, not 34. He's a pg who gives the young guys structure on offense and can play defense
- Rubio only has 2 years left on his old $ deal. They have time to figure out who the next guy will be
- They dont have to re-sign him; they can shop him if they feel like Dunn or Jones is ready to take over
- Towns is already near All-NBA quality as he enters his "leap" year. They can bring this roster back and be a playoff team. Not sure that is "chasing" a spot
- I doubt Rubio gets a lottery pick
- Dumping Rubio for a pick makes playoffs a longer shot. For the hope that a non lottery pick is better than Rubio 4 years from now?
- The Wolves have tons of cap space. They dont need salary relief
- Dunn clearly isnt ready to play. Why stunt the team's (and Towns) development by giving him the keys? Allowing him to continue to develop in a more measured way makes sense.
- Their 3 best guys are all born in 1995. They are slotted for #6 this year. How much younger do they need to be?
- Rubio isnt even their biggest question- its what to do with LaVine and Wiggins.
Now, Thibs may indeed just not be a fan of Rubio. He may want to move him and replace him with "his" guy. In a vacuum, I think that would be foolish, but it's possible. If so, I think Rubio would be an interesting fit for the Pels, especially if they can keep Holiday. But I have a hard time wrapping my head around why the Wolves move Rubio for a pick this summer
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:54 am to Colonel Flagg
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Jrue is better than whatever we could have got for him or we can find during free agency.
This line of thinking cost the Pels a first round pick for Anderson.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:29 am to Epic Cajun
The difference with Ryno is that literally every writer with any kind of sources seemed 100% convinced he would leave either for pricing or preference reasons. I'd say it's 50/50 that no team with max space makes a run at Holiday. If he walks Demps will get slammed for not knowing better, but this is at least a safer bet than the foolishness he pulled with Ryno.
You also have to wonder if a S&T option has been discussed. There's no downside to Jrue or his new team to doing it, maybe Demps already asked Holiday if he did leave if he'd do a S&T. I'm not saying MM couldn't have come up with that idea on his own, but sometimes people with sources can't come out and say something is sourced.
You also have to wonder if a S&T option has been discussed. There's no downside to Jrue or his new team to doing it, maybe Demps already asked Holiday if he did leave if he'd do a S&T. I'm not saying MM couldn't have come up with that idea on his own, but sometimes people with sources can't come out and say something is sourced.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:42 am to corndeaux
I'm not saying you're wrong, but a lot of those arguments like KAT being ready is how the Pels justified the young vet strategy when in hind sight growing slower would have been better. The situations are very different as Minny is asset rich and not looking to burn any, but I see no reason for them to go fast. Look at Utah. They took their time and look pretty good right now as long as Hayward stays.
Maybe Thibs doesn't want a pick for Rubio but perhaps he'd have some interest in a package built around Moore if they are trading Lavine. Or maybe Pick + Moore can get you Lavine which you flip for a PG.
Maybe Thibs doesn't want a pick for Rubio but perhaps he'd have some interest in a package built around Moore if they are trading Lavine. Or maybe Pick + Moore can get you Lavine which you flip for a PG.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
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he situations are very different as Minny is asset rich and not looking to burn any, but I see no reason for them to go fast.
i agree. i guess i just dont see how holding onto Rubio, for the time being at least, is them going fast. brining the key guys back is just letting them marinate together for another season. why take a step back to get younger when you're trending up?
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Maybe Thibs doesn't want a pick for Rubio but perhaps he'd have some interest in a package built around Moore if they are trading Lavine. Or maybe Pick + Moore can get you Lavine which you flip for a PG.
been some interesting rumblings on some of the pods i listen to about LaVine or even Wiggins perhaps being available. again, just rumors/whispers and conjecture. but there seems to be doubt about Wiggins+LaVine as starting wings
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:36 am to corndeaux
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