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re: Zac Snyder to direct Justice league after Batman vs Superman
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:18 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:18 pm to LoveThatMoney
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All that matters is that Snyder can't direct his way out of a wet paper bag and even if the writing is good (it won't be) he'll frick it up.
I wouldn't go that far. I like Snyder as a director in that right situation.
HOWEVER, his vision isn't grand enough to build multiple franchises off of. He just doesn't have that kind of creativity from what we've seen. Unless Affleck balked at the chance to direct, I don't know why they didn't offer him.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 12:19 pm
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:23 pm to Freauxzen
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HOWEVER, his vision isn't grand enough to build multiple franchises off of. He just doesn't have that kind of creativity from what we've seen. Unless Affleck balked at the chance to direct, I don't know why they didn't offer him.
agreed. he will need a really good team to do this. in fairness, no one director has built the marvel universe. Marvel was smart to dedicate an entire team just to the crafting of the universe.
I just thought of maybe the differences in DC/Marvel movie-wise. Marvel spun the movies out of its own business and line of creators. DC has been owned by Warner Bros forever. WB has a completely separate division for their films that probably had nothing to do with their comic production. The "Marvel" route might not necessarily be the multi-movie intro. It might be more of the seamless crossover of comic and movie talent.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:24 pm to BlacknGold
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this could become its own thread. Lucas just wasnt great at executing a story.
Let's make it!
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i think MoS falls into this.
So you're saying Man of Steel is on par with Star Wars? Holy shite.
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Ill try to keep the Marvel/expectations brief. They set up a great universe and story lines. however, a lot of their movies have missed the mark. FWIW, i think X-Men: First Class is one of the best done comic films just give an example.
And the Nolan films? How good are they? Just for perspective. And yeah that's another thread, I'd love to know why most missed their mark. Marvel has been successful precisely because they've hit their mark almost every single time, outside of IH and IM2 probably. And even then, I think IH is looked over, it's good enough.
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i would say they are pretty popular. if they didnt amount to anything, they wouldnt make them. end of the day its a business.
Well in the basic sense yes. But they aren't a movement or anything. And again, no one outside of comic book geeks and kids are really going to talk about them.
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i think everyone and their mother saw Nolan's trilogy. id call that expanding their influence.
In an exterior sense of course, but Nolan's trilogy is no more it has 0 effect on the new franchise outside of loading the next version of Batman with Nolan-esque expectations (which isn't necessarily a good thing).
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Marvel just has a shite load more movies so its easy to claim that
Marvel has a sigular universe, that's the difference.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:30 pm to BlacknGold
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in fairness, no one director has built the marvel universe. Marvel was smart to dedicate an entire team just to the crafting of the universe.
Of course not, that's evidence as to why it isn't a smart move. One of Marvel's BEST moves was not only to get young hungry directors (and other creatives like Brian Tyler...), but to get directors who had bend toward certain genres. Need a Shakespearian take on a man of of place? Get the Shakespeare expert. Need a classic adventure film maker to bring a sense of 1950's naivety to a hero? Get the director of the Rocketeer. Have an off kilter property that needs a very specific skillset to balance interstellar outlaws and comedy? Get James Gunn.
Building off of one vision is...misguided.
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The "Marvel" route might not necessarily be the multi-movie intro. It might be more of the seamless crossover of comic and movie talent.
It's both.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:33 pm to Freauxzen
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Marvel films, not a single one has been terrible
The first Captain America was terrible. Spiderman 3 terrible.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:35 pm to TK421
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Spiderman 3 terrible.
Not an MCU film.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:37 pm to Freauxzen
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Not an MCU film.
Not the point. I was saying the first Captain America was as bad as Spiderman 3.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:40 pm to TK421
quote:It wasn't the best MCU movie by any means, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as SM3.
Not the point. I was saying the first Captain America was as bad as Spiderman 3.
No way. No how.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:41 pm to TK421
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Not the point. I was saying the first Captain America was as bad as Spiderman 3.
Well you did make two isolated statements, should have said "Captain America was as bad as Spider-Man 3."
The First Avenger was nowhere near a terrible film. You may not have liked it, but that's much different than actually being a bad film.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:42 pm to Freauxzen
Exactly. I enjoyed it.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:44 pm to TK421
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The first Captain America was terrible. Spiderman 3 terrible.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:48 pm to Freauxzen
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The First Avenger was nowhere near a terrible film.
Oh it was great if you ignore the story, acting, and directing.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:57 pm to TK421
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Oh it was great if you ignore the story, acting, and directing.
The story was fine, it was a little rushed during the middle, though, but otherwise, it was serviceable.
The directing was spot on. That was a big strength for the film. It had a perfect old school Captain America feel.
The acting was good enough. Of course it wasn't 12 Years a Slave, but there's no need for that level of intensity or seriousness.
Don't give the tired internet reaction and immediately paint something as "terrible," or "the greatest movie ever."
Objectively in any given year, few movies are TRULY terrible, and few movies are TRULY great. Most fall somewhere in the large grey between the two with varying levels of success. This is why intent is so important.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:16 pm to TK421
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Not the point. I was saying the first Captain America was as bad as Spiderman 3.
Not only no, but hell no. Spiderman 3 was so bad that the only thing that made it bearable was my friends MST3K'ing it. Otherwise I would have walked out. Captain America is far from a great movie. It drags a lot of arse while he's the face of the war bond effort. But Red Skull is an intriguing villain and the movie had a great 1940s-50s vibe that fit in well with Chris Evans' as Cap.
SM3 was a steaming pile of shite from start to finish. The villains sucked. Tobey Maguire is a terrible Spiderman (and was throughout that franchise). And the Venom plotline fell flat. Nothing about that movie is redeemable except the awesome campyness of Bruce Campbell.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:34 pm to Freauxzen
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The story was fine
The pacing was terrible throughout and the actual plot was barely even movie-worthy.
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The directing was spot on. That was a big strength for the film. It had a perfect old school Captain America feel.
The directing was forced. It was like an instagramming teenager putting a filter on everything and calling a quick pic of his bowl of cereal "artistic"
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The acting was good enough.
No, it simply wasn't. None of the characters were believable.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:02 pm to TK421
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The pacing was terrible throughout and the actual plot was barely even movie-worthy.
Pacing suffered, I'll agree. It doesn't make the film terrible. There are great movies with awful pacing problems. Batman Begins had serious pacing issues very similar to Captain America. It's the effect of cramming too much story in a short time frame.
How was the plot barely movie-worthy? Is it conventional? Of course it is. But 12 Monkeys this is not.
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The directing was forced. It was like an instagramming teenager putting a filter on everything and calling a quick pic of his bowl of cereal "artistic"
Again, it sounds like you didn't "like it," and that's fine. Different strokes. But it was effective for its purpose.
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No, it simply wasn't. None of the characters were believable.
What do you mean believable? The characters as written weren't believable? Or the acting wasn't good?
The acting was fine. Again, half of the cast was supposed to be a bit of a caricature, that was part of the charm. Jones, Tucci, even Toby Jones to a degree. It was Cheesy on purpose if that's what you mean.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:11 pm to Freauxzen
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The characters as written weren't believable? Or the acting wasn't good?
Both
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. It was Cheesy on purpose if that's what you mean.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:13 pm to BlacknGold
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most of the sequels (minus winter solider) were terrible.
IYO.
But all that matters to studios is the bottom line, and those movies sold big numbers
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:19 pm to TK421
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And? Captain America had a very specific purpose that you might have missed. That cheesy, aw shucks 1940's appeal was deliberate. That meant a little overacting, some scenery chewing by caricatures. It HAD to feel like Leave it to Beaver or close to it.
It's ok that you didn't "like" it, but the film was very reminiscent of Cap's origins. That was sort of the point to the whole thing.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:21 pm to Freauxzen
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It comes down to the funny quip about JL and GotG, DC is worried about how Wonder Woman will translate to film and Marvel is saying, "Here's a raccoon with a machine gun."
Let's retire that. It's played out.
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