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re: Why can't DC get it right? Is it because Marvel's success is in their heads?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 4:48 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 8/31/16 at 4:48 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I think they really effed up when they let Nolan close off any shot of MoS being part of his Batman universe.
Not only did it makes things way harder on them than it needed to be w/universe building it kind of helped hurt DKR due to the extremely forced ending that tried to wrap up the entire Batman story w/a bow made out of Bruce being the world's world semi adopted kid crap he pulls on Alfred.
Not only did it makes things way harder on them than it needed to be w/universe building it kind of helped hurt DKR due to the extremely forced ending that tried to wrap up the entire Batman story w/a bow made out of Bruce being the world's world semi adopted kid crap he pulls on Alfred.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 4:51 pm
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 4:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
There can be elements of a "dark" story. I mean, Civil War has a lot of dark or sad elements. As long as it doesn't have an overall "doom and gloom" feel. And more importantly, it needs to be coherent. 
Posted on 8/31/16 at 4:51 pm to Baloo
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Even though DC is the older company, they have historically been playing catch up to Marvel, trying to emulate the House that Spider-Man Built. It's almost the same pattern with movies. they keep trying to copy Marvel, but not copy them as well. It's a hard line to toe.
this. I always was a DC fanboy as a kid, mainly due to batman. I love batman.
DC as a comic really only had batman and superman, to a lesser extent WW, the flash and green lantern. But compare it to marvel....wolvering, spiderman, iron man, captain america, hulk, FF, and oh yeah, minor ones like thor, professor x, cyclops, and daredevil. its no comparison, marvel has more to work with. Plus disney >> WB. This isn't even getting into villans, while DC has the best villan of all - the joker - marvel is just amazing.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:12 pm to theunknownknight
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I said it years ago and was laughed at but history has proven me correct. Christopher Nolan was the best and worst thing to happen to DC comic movies.
You have an argument. He and Goyer are as much to blame as Snyder for the Superman movies we've seen so far.
I'm a little surprised Nolan has been getting a pass for the most part.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:26 pm to Hawkeye95
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DC as a comic really only had batman and superman, to a lesser extent WW, the flash and green lantern.
Man, that's all personal preference. You're leaving out Teen Titans, Legion, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Watchmen, all of the Vertigo titles...
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:27 pm to Jester
quote:I loved X-Men, but Batman TAS was the GOAT. The Spiderman cartoons were also popular, but I was not very into them.
Dude, the marvel cartoons from the early 90s had Marvel firmly in front.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 6:32 pm to abellsujr
I may be showing my media preferences or age but I was pretty oblivious to comic book properties made for mass audiences. In between the Reeve's Supermans there wasn't much until first the Keaton Batmans and then maybe the X-men stuff put out around 2000.
Marvel didn't really kick start their present universe until 2008 with Iron Man. The Nolan trilogy was its own universe and a special thing but not a multiple franchise spawning thing any more than Watchmen or Hellboy or Blade kinda efforts.
Marvel didn't really kick start their present universe until 2008 with Iron Man. The Nolan trilogy was its own universe and a special thing but not a multiple franchise spawning thing any more than Watchmen or Hellboy or Blade kinda efforts.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 6:48 pm to Dr RC
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Is Suicide Squad really that bad? I haven't seen it yet but I don't know single person IRL who saw it and liked it.
Suicide Squad wasn't a great movie but it wasn't bad. Civil War wasn't that good a movie either. DC can get back on track if the next movie is better.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:21 pm to LsuNav
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Civil War wasn't that good a movie either.
I kind of agree. It was good and entertaining but people act like it was the Godfather. I saw it the second day it was out and left theater satisfied but with no desire to see it again. I certainly don't think it was the best Marvel movie (Winter Solider is) and it doesn't come close to Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.
My biggest gripe with Marvel is that there never seems to be any real level of tension. Good dialogue - yes. Interesting characters - sure. But at no point in any of the movies do I ever feel any sense of dread or danger. Every movie basically ends as it began or at least hinting that everything is going to be okay and back to normal in no time.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:40 pm to molsusports
Yea, for awhile Batman was the only thing out there. Then X-Men came along. It was pretty successful, but the first Spider-Man which came soon after was MASSIVE. That really started the resurgence in superhero movies. I was not a fan of the movie, but it did a lot for the genre. Then you had Batman Begins which was moderately successful, but TDK was massive. At that time Marvel was working on establishing their universe and had already released a pretty successful Iron Man movie. They released a couple of stand-alone, build up movies that were successful. DC released TDKR in 2012. The same year Marvel released The Avengers. Both were very successful, but DC was ending while Marvel was just beginning. They have since run the table while DC has tried to establish a universe. Their movies are making money, but they could make more and they're not what they should be or need to be, IMO. Now here we are.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:00 pm to mizzoukills
Shallower roster to pull from. Really drops off after Batman and Superman.
Then there is their determination to make everything DARK because it worked for Batman.
Then there is the issue of Superman really being to strong for like anything to challenge him but special green rocks.
Then there is their determination to make everything DARK because it worked for Batman.
Then there is the issue of Superman really being to strong for like anything to challenge him but special green rocks.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:15 pm to Antonio Moss
"My biggest gripe with Marvel is that there never seems to be any real level of tension. Good dialogue - yes. Interesting characters - sure. But at no point in any of the movies do I ever feel any sense of dread or danger. Every movie basically ends as it began or at least hinting that everything is going to be okay and back to normal in no time."
Agreed. Say what you want about BvS (and the criticism of it here has been absurdly over the top), but at least you had a feeling of, "Oh, frick. Things might not turn out so great." Marvel's action scenes are starting to creep towards *BIFF!* *KAPOW!* *SOCK!* territory. There's about as much hanging in the balance as an A-team episode.
Agreed. Say what you want about BvS (and the criticism of it here has been absurdly over the top), but at least you had a feeling of, "Oh, frick. Things might not turn out so great." Marvel's action scenes are starting to creep towards *BIFF!* *KAPOW!* *SOCK!* territory. There's about as much hanging in the balance as an A-team episode.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:58 pm to SoFla Tideroller
The problem I see with DC movies besides Batman most of their popular characters don't translate well to live action film. Superman works well in comics but he's so overpowered it doesn't work IMO in movies. Making it worse Superman is supposed to be a happy/hopeful and inspiring character(Christopher Reeve did it well) but MOS they tried too hard to make him dark/gritty. If you watch the Superman with Reeve they showed a little bit how he was an outcast with his peers when he was younger. But when he was older he didn't retreat and become a sullen nomad like in MOS. He went to NY and wanted to help protect Earth/humanity and was happy to do it. In MOS they played up him being bullied when he was young and he came off as a reluctant protector vs Zod. With DC playing catch up they are clearly trying to copy Marvel. If you watch the Wonder Woman trailer it's so obvious they're trying to copy Captain America TFA.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:11 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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But at no point in any of the movies do I ever feel any sense of dread or danger. Every movie basically ends as it began or at least hinting that everything is going to be okay and back to normal in no time."
I think you'll really enjoy the Infinity Wars movies. Alot of people have to die if they do it right.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:13 pm to bcoop199
quote:If staying true to the characters and making less polarizing movies is copying Marvel, so be it. That's what they need to do.
clearing trying to copy Marvel. If you watch the Wonder Woman trailer it's so obvious they're trying to copy Captain America TFA.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:41 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Marvel's action scenes are starting to creep towards *BIFF!* *KAPOW!* *SOCK!* territory.
Completely agree. I was thinking that the whole time during the airport scene. While I enjoyed Civil War, I thought that scene was just silly and a complete shift in tone from the rest of the film. Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:51 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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"My biggest gripe with Marvel is that there never seems to be any real level of tension. Good dialogue - yes. Interesting characters - sure. But at no point in any of the movies do I ever feel any sense of dread or danger. Every movie basically ends as it began or at least hinting that everything is going to be okay and back to normal in no time."
I think that's a fair gripe about any movie with a franchise character at the center of the action. Even a death of Superman feels transparently Jon Snow like.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:08 am to molsusports
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You have an argument. He and Goyer are as much to blame as Snyder for the Superman movies we've seen so far.
I'm a little surprised Nolan has been getting a pass for the most part.
Not sure why Nolan would need a pass. He's not making these shitty movies.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:16 am to SammyTiger
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Shallower roster to pull from. Really drops off after Batman and Superman.
This couldn't be further from the truth.
Marvel really did a fantastic job building up their characters.
Pre-2008 there werent legions of fans for Hawkeye or Black Widow
Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:26 am to Jester
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The 55 year old guy who read Superman comics in 1963
The 55 year old guy would have been 2 in 1963. Must have been one helluva prodigy to be reading at 2 years of age.
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