re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"

Just flipped to HBO to catch the replay and I caught some ebony porn from whatever the frick is on before.

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No. It's 3 time frames. Frame 1 in the blue dress early on with Arnold alive. Frame 2 with William in the cowgirl outfit but she's hurt and takes off who knows where. And Frame 3 where she follows that path again after Teddy leaves with MiB and she shoots the rapist going back on the path where she ends up at the church again. I'm assuming this is "present time" during which Maeve is self aware

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Hmm okay I guess I didn't remember her wearing the pants in the current time period. I thought she was still in the dress when she got away from the rapist.

Thease are some of my posts from some of the other threads. Not far off I think.

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Well I believe the real back story is being shown real time, through Dolores' eyes. Whenever the MiB takes her into the barn, he says "lets get reacquainted, we can start from the beginning."

In Dolores' flashback he tells her that he's going to marry Juliet when he gets back home. A lot of references to Shakespeare in this show (whenever Ford tells Bernard about Arnolds tragedy and how it consumed him, he was talking about his son dying, which of course means that Bernards back story is actually Arnolds because they are one in the same. He actually references a lot of Arnolds short coming being portrayed by Bernard)
Anyway, the MiB says that he has been married for 30 years and references earlier he's been coming here and has known Dolores since then. The MiB said that he "owns this world" to teddy meaning he owns Delos, the same company that William and Logan worked for while coming scout the park. The critical failure they were talking about wasn't Dolores shooting everyone at the Beta park where the church is. That is actually being played out by Wyatt, whenever you look at Teddy's flashback they are in the same town that Dolores was in with the church, shooting everyone much like Dolores was in her flashback. I think the critical failure will either end in Logans death or Arnolds assuming he's still alive in the previous timeframe.

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quote: 34-35 years ago. Flashbacks from Ford and Flashbacks from Dolores in the town with the church when it was still above ground. This is before the park opened. If you go back to the episode Contrapasso, the MiB says that "Arnold died 35 years ago, and almost took the place with him. Almost, but not quite, thanks to me." I'm thinking that the MiB is William, William and Logan who represent Delos ends up buying the park, and William ends up being the head guy at Delos. He references his wife killing herself after she sees how the park changed him over the years and the suspicion that he was an entirely different person, as William explains to Delores during the last episode. Another thing I caught on a rewatch was that during one of Delores' flashbacks to the old church she was hunched over a grave with her own name on it. Not sure what the context of that is, but I hope they bring light to that. ETA: Ford also mentions that the board had no issues scrubbing Arnolds name and association with the park from the history books. I'm wondering if that also had something to do with the fact that two of the controlling members of the board of the company that bought them were there whenever it happened. Another thing I noticed is that Bernard is dressed differently in the scenes he is privately meeting with Delores. Its like he has an entirely different wardrobe.

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quote: That globe/fountain whatever it is looks familiar. Just not sure what it means. I suspect we'll get a look at how it was in coming episodes. They didn't throw that in at random. What if the two guests who go through orientation are actually 30 years prior yo the current storyline. Whenever they got off the train it looked like the run down area that they store the hosts in, with the escalators and the globe/fountain. The only host we see them interact with is Delores, who has been there for more than 30 years, since Ed Harris' character says he's been knowing her for 30 years. I'm thinking that William, the new guest, may be Ed Harris' character 30 years earlier. ETA: I just caught up and saw that this has been mentioned. I think that it could be a little too obvious to have the MiB be William, but I do think its on a different timeline. And William does end up hooking up with Delores according to the preview after the second episode. So maybe that'll have something to do with the gun Delores picks up at the end of episode 2. Its obvious that Delores' flashback was a memory because right before you can hear Jeffrey Wright ask her if she remembers. Does anyone know how many episodes there are this season?

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I also didn't understand the Teddy/Wyatt thing?

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The teddy/Wyatt thing is what actually happened with Dolores. I think she is supposed to be Wyatt in some weird way. Ed Harris says to Ford that he finally made a worthy adversary, and by the looks of it In the previews Dolores is dragging the MiB somewhere. Maybe they can find the maze together.

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Just discussed with my buddy who is leaning to the board chick (charlotte?) is actually MIBs daughter given their encounter... it would make sense how she would have a board seat at a young age

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Logan shows William a picture of his sister/william's fiance. she is not black.

So those first few scenes of the show with When Delores is talking to Bernard... is she actually talking to the real Arnold or is she having a flashback/vision of Arnold??

I am also on board with Delores being Wyatt. Teddy and her are too connected and we've already seen that a lot of the flashbacks we've seen are actually mis remembering by the hosts or "harmful" thing she being blocked.

I'm pretty sick of Maeve too...her storyline, although possibly the biggest, does nothing for me. It's also pretty obvious, from day one that all those old retired hosts underground are all going to be brought back to life and become an "army"

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So those first few scenes of the show with When Delores is talking to Bernard... is she actually talking to the real Arnold or is she having a flashback/vision of Arnold??

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I think she's talking to Arnold in her head. She has always told him that she hasn't told anyone they've been talking.

And we now know that she did kill Arnold, but why?

So much going on my brain hasn't processed it. It's good TV, though.

bernards brain is all over the wall.

I've been on the William=Mib train for a while. But I'm starting to think Logan = Mib.