re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"

Trying to catch up, but HBOGo fricking blows.

Thought just occurred to me. How was Delores able to kill Arnold (if we take her memory of doing it at face value, of course)? Where were the safeguards that we know the hosts have by the time William and Logan got to the park?

It just would add another tragic layer to the story if Ford and Arnold never considered that their creations would kill so they never bothered to make sure they couldn't kill... until they did and Ford instituted his control system and started down the path to where he is now. He always talks of the early days wistfully as days filled with joy, optimism, and creation, which is in pretty stark contrast to the manner in which old Ford acts. It would be so much more interesting if his rigid control and cold view toward the hosts was a result, in some great part, of he and Arnold's early optimism, naivete, successes, and their ultimate failure that led to Arnold's death. As their creations gain more and more humanity, Ford loses more and more of his.

Why did the host kill Bernard? The one who killed Teddy.

That is gold.

Just caught up. LOL at this thread

Some of the timeline deniers went as low as to imply "I knew it was multiple time periods, I said it wasn't multiple timelines" as if we'd believe it was a semantic argument from the get-go. Pathetic

I'm in the middle of Episode 8, and I love it so far, but no way in hell would those two guys go along with Maeve in all this. Seriously, Sylvester should just go "frick this. She's at best Ava from Ex Machina and will kill us to get her freedom, and best case scenario we'll get canned when she escapes. So I'm ratting her out and getting her destroyed by the people running this joint."

Her plotline just pisses me off on how much those two are going along with it. She has no collateral on them, not to mention the fact that there should be cameras on them at all times and colleagues are walking around seeing them through glass walls. Someone needs to sit the writers down and let them know that there's no possible way this would work with rational people.

Yeah the Asian is passed the point of black mail. He's full on her side

I think some parallels can be made between the two lab techs and the William timeline

Asian guy and William both see them as real beings and fall in love

Red head and Dickhead BiL see them as hosts and are trying to make them see that

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Some of the timeline deniers went as low as to imply "I knew it was multiple time periods, I said it wasn't multiple timelines" as if we'd believe it was a semantic argument from the get-go.

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Flashbacks have been a part of the story "from the get-go." I maintain that many of you haven't really been watching the show, you're just getting theories from other sites and coming here to argue "semantics" for the sake of arguing. I almost feel bad for the people who can't keep up.

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Some of the timeline deniers went as low as to imply "I knew it was multiple time periods, I said it wasn't multiple timelines" as if we'd believe it was a semantic argument from the get-go.

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Your point is well taken but definition of terms matter. I do think there can be confusion relative to the term, timeline. Per Wiki:

"A timeline is a way of displaying a list of events in chronological order, sometimes described as a project artifact.[1] It is typically a graphic design showing a long bar labelled with dates alongside itself and usually events."

My perspective is that the timeline that represents the events from the beginning of the founding of Westworld to current events is the same timeline just as the events from the creation of planet earth to our current history is the same timeline. The alternative is some alternate reality/universe (Example: Hitler was never born so the course of events took a completely different path). And yes, time periods within the master timeline can obviously be referenced separately as specific time frames. I see no evidence that there is a separate timeline/alternate universe relative to Westworld. But yes, various time periods are being referenced through flashbacks.

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Flashbacks have been a part of the story "from the get-go."

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No kidding

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I maintain that many of you haven't really been watching the show, you're just getting theories from other sites and coming here to argue "semantics" for the sake of arguing. I almost feel bad for the people who can't keep up

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shite like this is why people have been calling you out specifically for the entirety of this thread. You're butthurt that you were wrong so you try and belittle people who we're right. Newsflash: everyone in this thread reads r/westworld, whether they admit it or not. Anyone that takes the time to watch multiple times, come here and discuss, formulate theories, etc is going to pool from multiple sources. To reduce this type of person to someone who just wants to argue and can't keep up on their own is insanely, ridiculously pompous, and completely intellectually dishonest. No one is buying that shite. You were wrong, eat your crow and move on.