re: Was Luke Skywalker the greatest of all Jedi?

1. Yoda - best force user hands downs
2. Mace Windu - best Saber duelist, as stated he beat the Emperor with relative ease
3. Obi Wan - Arguably the most impressive resume with his wins over Maul, Grievous, & prime Anakin not to mention his Clone Wars efforts. He's always been my favorite and imo the most influential
4. Anakin - Had it all, but never truly reached his full potential due to his lack of emotional control
5. Luke - he didn't start training until wayyyy too late to be as good as he could have been, still pretty impressive the progress he made from ANH to RotJ. It'll be interesting to see how much he's progressed if at all in the sequels

This list is subject to change post sequel trilogy

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You could say he's got more "natural athleticism"

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Let's do it this way:

1. Yoda - Stayed around for a long time. Had a propensity to make pretty much everyone around him better. Mastered the esoteric parts of being a jedi, didn't necessarily have all the physical tools, but when it counted, he could certainly surprise you.

2. Mace - Smooth, talented, better than anyone else. Could dominate at a moment's notice. Yoda's influence helped make him better. When it comes to pure talent, few have more.

3. Anakin - Most potential and could have been the greatest, but just didn't last long enough (and an argument can still be made). He even took a break and tried to come back later in another career, unsuccessfully. Piled up a ton of highlights, and was completely dominant when he was on. But it was oh so brief.

4. Obi Wan - Incredible defensive game. Balanced on the rush versus the likes of Grievous, and could man handle people even stronger than he was like Anakin. He seemed to be around for a long time, even semi-retired, but came back for a brief glimpse. He got destroyed before retiring for good.

5. Luke - Had 0 physical tools. Trained with some of the best minds in the land. Somehow, this scrappy white dude came out of nowhere and can just plain win. Gets the legacy for being one of the greats, but in one of his biggest matchups he loses. And even when he loses, he kind of wins.

Anakin had the most potential of any Jedi ever born. It takes a long time to reach one's full potential in the force. George Lucas said that Luke in the books is what Anakin would have been had he not turned evil. Therefore, Luke is the greatest Jedi ever. By age 60, he is basically a god. The writers had to develop reasons for him not to be at the battlefield because if he showed up, it was over without him breaking a sweat.

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Obi-Won was the perfect Jedi. He simply lacked the raw power of Yoda, Mace, Anakin, or Luke.

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Except for the fact that he treated Anakin like crap and helped turn him ax crazy.

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Except for the fact that he treated Anakin like crap and helped turn him ax crazy.

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This is so far from being a correct statement that I don't even know where to begin. I'll assume you prefer to be babied and hate tough mentors. You must be a millennial.

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Still...he has to beat them, contact Vader, and have Vader beat them as well. That takes time, especially with Vader traveling elsewhere at lightspeed.

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I don't think that would take all that much time. They just took off, Boba can probably calculate exactly where they're heading from their general direction and how fast their craft can go, and he can alert within Vader 10 minutes. Nothing in Star Wars technology leads me to believe that Vader couldn't be contacted when he's gone to warp speed.

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Besides, how long were the crew on the Falcon traveling to Bespin at sub-light speed? And I guess Bespin was the only option for them for Fett to be able to leave them behind and know where they were going.

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Exactly. Vader could have been waiting at Bespin for weeks for their arrival. Boba could have kept a safe distance behind them just in case they decided to go anywhere else. I don't see any logistical problems behind this, especially when Maul finds Qui Gon in less than 3 days when he escapes from Naboo, and he had far less leads than Vader did on where Han was.

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I'm not saying he can't be contacted, just that he is traveling/has traveled someplace else. If it was the same general direction as Bespin, sure - no problem, but if it was in an opposite direction he'd still have to travel that distance.

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I just got the impression Bespin wasn't far at all from where they were. Hell in that 10 minutes Vader could have feasibly traveled 100 times further from Bespin than the Millenium Falcon was. I think it's entirely feasible the Empire could land on Bespin within the hour of being alerted by Fett. I don't think any of the Star Destroyers were nearby when Han landed on the planet simply due to the fact that seeing them would scare off the Millennium Falcon where they'd have to repeat everything they've been doing for the last few weeks.

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I just got the impression Bespin wasn't far at all from where they were.

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No, it wasn't which is why they picked it, and because of Lando.

The whole travel time thought exercise gets more complicated when you think that they left Hoth at sub-light and made it to the asteroid field. Luke travels to Dagobah, trains with Yoda for some time (weeks? months?), and has a premonition about what happens at Cloud City then leaves.

How long were they in the worm inside the asteroid? When does Luke Leave Dagobah in relation to the events on Cloud City to make it there as Boba Fett is leaving with Han?

Maybe I'm thinking too much about this? Haha. The reason I think the time is important is when it comes training and bonding of the characters.

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The fact that you're defending stat wars and you like the movies honesty makes me hate star wars a little bit

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